Author Topic: It's time for another italian fighter in Aces High!!! (Read 1055 times)

LUPO · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2002, 05:17:05 PM »

Nice one, Zhivago!

udet · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2002, 07:32:40 PM »

i agree with the CR biplanes, but let's face it, the role the Italians played in the war was minor,and their planes were very undistinguished in terms of performance.Actually,i think so were their pilots

No offense meant to anybody

gatt · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2002, 02:06:09 AM »

No offense taken Udet, but what the hell does your reply mean? This is a sim ... isnt it? That said, I'm sure there is more than one italian pilot/fighter that can kick your virtual arse in AcesHigh. So, following your weird reasoning, I dont see any problem to add more italian a/c. No offense meant to you, of course

Sikboy · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2002, 07:39:15 AM »

I really like this plane, and I'd like to thank Lupo for pointing it out. Based on looks and performance, I'd love to have it. It would combine the DB 605 engine that give the LW guys a chub, with a fairly low wing loading which, as far as I know (and I'm no AN Engineer) should give it some low speed turning. I don't think it will be useless in the MA, but we'll never know until it gets out there. Anyhow have any primary source performance information on it?

-Sikboy

Samm · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2002, 07:55:44 AM »

LUPO · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2002, 07:58:39 AM »

No offense taken Udet, you're simply ridiculous

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LUPO · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2002, 08:00:49 AM »

Follow the link, Sikboy!

Re2005 page

Sikboy · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2002, 08:15:02 AM »

Very cool Lupo, I've been to the sight (Tripod popups and all lol

) What I meant was, does anyone have the actual sources? You have a scan of the Comparison test as cited in a secondary source. What would totally kick bellybutton is to have a copy of the primary source itself. I would imagine that this information is on file somewhere in the Italian Archives, but I don't know anything about Italian IP or Freedom of Information law, so I wouldn't really know how to go about getting the document itself. However, if there were an Italian working on the problem, that person would have a much better chance of figuring out how to get at it, since if nothing else, he speaks the language. Then, the data could be descreetly sent to, oh, I don't know, say... a flight sim development company or something.

It's not that I'm skeptical of your work, or that of Sergio Govi. It's just that official pieces of paper are more compelling than a citation of that source in a research work.

Good luck on your crusade!

-Sikboy

gatt · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2002, 09:27:01 AM »

Sikboy, the problem is that is very difficult if not impossible to find original flight manuals for italian fighters.
So far I've found the C.205 one with no performance data at all. Then I find the G.55 "Centauro" manual, this time with climb times to various altitudes.
I've not seen anything about the beautiful Re.2005. Just the works of Govi and Arena (the latter not considered a reliable source).
Anyway, good work and good luck LUPO, you really need it!

Sikboy · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2002, 09:45:40 AM »

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Originally posted by gatt
Sikboy, the problem is that is very difficult if not impossible to find original flight manuals for italian fighters.

I bet it is. But if that's the case, then it will undoubtedly be the case for HTC too. And without that information HTC won't be able to accurately model the Aircraft

I mean, look what happens even when they DO have access to highly detailed data. Someone will always be there to question the authenticity of a model, and I honestly don't believe that HTC would put out a model that they didn't feel was as accurate as possible, according to the data they've collected. (rah rah rah, go team!)

-Sikboy

Shane · « **Reply #25 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:12:16 AM »

bah! italy was basically a non-factor in WW2, if anything, more japanese and russky planes need to be added.

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Sabre · « **Reply #26 on:** May 13, 2002, 01:33:11 PM »

Isn't the Re2000 the aircraft destined for the never-completed Italian aircraft carrier? As I recall, they could carry not only bombs but a small torpedo. The operational concept decided on for this liner-turned-carrier called for a single aircraft type to fulfill both fighter and strike duties. This was done in tacit recognition that Italy was coming late to the carrier party; they new developing dedicated strike AND fighter aircraft for their fledgling carrier force would take too long and consume too many resources. So they looked around and selected the Re2000 to fill their multipurpose requirement. Since it was not selected as the Italian air force's primary fighter, the Navy got the added benefit of having priority on the Re2000. The Italian CV never completed conversion, of course. One account I read says it was destroyed in port by P-47 Thunderbolts. A second ship conversion was begun I believe, but was far behind the first when Italy changed sides and put an end to both projects.

LUPO · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2002, 04:25:31 PM »

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bah! italy was basically a non-factor in WW2

Povero Shane... non ti sfioreranno mai la poesia, il coraggio e la follia di un solo CR32 contro uno squadron di spitfires o quelle di un pugno di uomini con le loro macchine dalle linee eleganti, lanciati contro masse immani di bombardieri ...
Ma a chi parlo? Questo povero disgraziato non può capire niente di eleganza o di stile, eh gatt... poveracci, solo arroganza e forza bruta

...figurati la lingua di Dante...

Thrawn · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2002, 07:07:45 PM »

Beurling respected the Italians a hell of alot more then the Germans. The Italians would fight, while the Germans would run.

Paraphrasing from "Malta: Spitfire"

gatt · « **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2002, 01:09:06 AM »

What a tuff guy he was, Thrawn

I got an original after war edition of "Malta Spitfire" and put that sentence in my sig, btw.

A friend of my family was shot down over Malta. From what I've heard and read in italian books Malta was a real nitemare for pilots. Much more than North Africa. Many surviving pilots dont even want to remember and speak about it.