Author Topic: WTG Vlad and Dubya (Read 561 times)

funkedup · « **on:** May 13, 2002, 11:42:16 AM »

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020513/ts_nm/russia_usa_arms_dc

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Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:44:32 AM »

So now each side will have only enough nukes to kill the world 10 times instead of 100? Ah, well, its a beginning anyway..

miko2d · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2002, 11:51:26 AM »

Now we have to quickly buy those surplus russian nukes before someone else does...

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2002, 12:29:26 PM »

Miko, I'll offer you a good bargain for 3 150Kt warheads, only $200,000 each. I can also give you a small nuclear reactor as a bonus if you'll buy all three.

Warheads are in vegetable stock facility in Moscow, customs is your problem. The reactor is right outide my window, Moscow, Kosygin str. 2, you'll have to disassemble and pack it yourself, and I suppose you'll not take the water from the refrigirating pond.

How fast can you deliver cash to Moscow?

vorticon · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2002, 12:59:15 PM »

1 nuke is to much for any country they should dismantle all of them .

Hangtime · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2002, 02:27:03 PM »

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1 nuke is to much for any country they should dismantle all of them .

Ok. Who disarms first?

Sandman · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2002, 02:52:58 PM »

It's a delicate diplomatic position when you're telling everyone that you will not allow the development of (insert Texas drawl) weapons of mass distruction by "rogue" states while having thousands of your own at your disposal.

It's all part of the plan to keep Dubya from sounding like a hypocrite while he plans attacks on pissant third world countries that don't comply with his wishes.

Of course... he keeps throwing that "nuclear option" term around and we'll have a few countries labeling us as a "rogue state."

Oh... wait a minute...

miko2d · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2002, 03:03:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Miko, I'll offer you a good bargain for 3 150Kt warheads, only $200,000 each. I can also give you a small nuclear reactor as a bonus if you'll buy all three.

You think I am stupid? With thousands of warheads coming to the market soon, modern and more powerfull stuff will become available for less money - including services of experienced nuclear missile control officers and crews that will be kicked out from the army.

Should have sold your stuff sooner - before the incoming glut.

miko

Sikboy · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2002, 03:08:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime

Ok. Who disarms first?

Oh no! It's the Prisoner's Dilemma!

-Sikboy

miko2d · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2002, 03:24:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's a delicate diplomatic position when you're telling everyone that you will not allow the development of (insert Texas drawl) weapons of mass distruction by "rogue" states while having thousands of your own at your disposal.

It's all part of the plan to keep Dubya from sounding like a hypocrite while he plans attacks on pissant third world countries that don't comply with his wishes.

No it's not. Weapons are just tools. There is a big difference who wields them and very little one in their effect.

US military can easily reprodice the effect of a 20kt nuke by dropping about 5 thousand tonns or less of conventional explosives. Our thousands of nukes did not hurt anyone after the end of WWII but most likely preserved peace.
At the same time hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, in Africa were hacked to death with machetes.

We do not have to give up our nukes in order to dislike authoritarian regimes having them. If we ever become a rogue state, we can raise hell on earth without nukes - at least until we elect few more pacifist democrats for presidents and find ourselves military worth a spit.
Heck, how many tens of millions of people would die within a year if we just cut the food and monetary help that goes towards feeding the world's poor?

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2002, 12:50:08 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d

You think I am stupid? With thousands of warheads coming to the market soon, modern and more powerfull stuff will become available for less money - including services of experienced nuclear missile control officers and crews that will be kicked out from the army.

Should have sold your stuff sooner - before the incoming glut.

miko

Miko, it's the best price in the market. And it will rise soon. Russia is about to destroy it's nukes and "means of delivery", while USA simply removes warheads from missiles and stores them separately. It's American idea for nuclear disarmament. Do you expect warheads with English operating instructions to appear in the market and drop the prices for solid and reliable Soviet production?

I wonder, what must happen to make that villagers understand hey are not the world's most clever nation and have to be responsible for their own stupidity?...

Sikboy · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2002, 01:03:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I wonder, what must happen to make that villagers understand hey are not the world's most clever nation and have to be responsible for their own stupidity?...

Probably a nuclear meltdown in Ukraine, an attempted coup, and the retreat of communism from most points of the globe. Oh wait, even that didn't work.

-Sikboy

vorticon · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2002, 01:12:04 PM »

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Ok. Who disarms first?

well you both disarm at the same time in a joint effort (transport all the nukes from both sides to somewhere non involved and dimsmantle all of them there at the same time)

Sikboy · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2002, 01:21:03 PM »

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Originally posted by vorticon

well you both disarm at the same time in a joint effort (transport all the nukes from both sides to somewhere non involved and dimsmantle all of them there at the same time)

The logistic and security considerations make this scenario unlikey in my opnion. As it stands, we have a fairly good system for dissarmamant in place through various bi-lateral and multi-lateral treaties. Issues such as compliance and transparency have been worked out through an evolutionary process starting with the NPT, and culminating in the latest agreements. I do not know what protocols have been adopted for this measure, but I assure you that they are there. most of what you might want to look at is availabe in english from the US State Department For best results find the exact treaty language, and not just the fact sheet (in case you worry that the US Government is lying to you)

-Sikboy

qts · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2002, 02:55:25 PM »

Actually, I reckon this is a smoke-and-mirrors exercise: the warheads they'll be removing will be significantly dud - look at the half-life of Pu and think of when the first Pu warheads were deployed.