Reading all these posts regarding CH v TM reminds me of the work I did before retired several years ago. Installing Digital Telephone Switches and equipment, my employer would have user group meetings to see what features they would like to see then after analayzing all the data then implement changes and we would install the equipment. We would give them all the LIGHTS,BELLS,GONGS,BUZZERS etc. But in the end the simple mortal man would simply ask "DO I have Dail Tone when I lift the reciever so I can call home". They could all care less for all the flashy literature that explained how to activate these features after a small course in basic programming which 90% did not want to bother with. The same applies to the joystick models. Most all want to PLUG and PLAY and most wont bother with all the features offered by any manufacturer all they would like is to plug in the device and actually have it work without a hassel which does not seem to be the case nowadays. I do use Ch products and have used Tm and Saitek, I like my setup and have used it for longer than i care to say,but hey thats just what I like if you like another setup and it works for you, hooray for you.