Author Topic: RN/USN vs LW ? (Read 667 times)

K West · « **on:** December 21, 2001, 08:27:00 AM »

Are the people who say claim that any LW vs F4F/F6F/TBM's/F4U's matchup is hokey and never occured just basically "Defense of the Riech" centric or are conveniently ignoring anything that happened in the European that did not occur over Germany and at 25,000 feet?

What is the basis for some of these rather loud objections from some when it comes to fighting an F6F when they're in a 109?

Westy

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #1 on:** December 21, 2001, 08:30:00 AM »

Because they dunno how to fight an F6F-5 and it doesn't fit with their perspective of being a LostWaffle piolet for ze Fatherland.

Brits had the Martlett... Guess what that was LostWaffles, that's right- the F4F-3 and F4F-4 and was used in the Channel on British carrier groups.

Same with F4Us and F6Fs.
-SW

Lance · « **Reply #2 on:** December 21, 2001, 08:37:00 AM »

They were born 75 years too late and missed their chance at full immersion and 100% historical accuracy.

Am0n · « **Reply #3 on:** December 21, 2001, 09:05:00 AM »

I was wondering the same thing westy.. they are probably just sour becuase the hellcat eats the 109 up like candy.

hblair · « **Reply #4 on:** December 21, 2001, 09:58:00 AM »

The G10 vs. F6F has grown on me. I enjoy it, just don't get too slow around the right hellcat driver.

mauser · « **Reply #5 on:** December 21, 2001, 10:08:00 AM »

I got a chance to get into the CT several days ago and I liked it <shrug>. I had two of the best 190A8 sorties I ever had in a loong time. Of course it could have been because the MA had crashed and a lot of my kills were of folks who aren't used to the setup (icons) in the CT. I didn't hear any of the LW side complaining that particular night (at least it wasn't noticeably noisy). Names I saw that were having a good time as far as I know.. Raubvogl, Furious, Hajo, storm, several others. The allied guys who were on weren't complaining either. I did hear someone pop in and say they didn't like the plane choices, and that person is more allied than axis. I guess YMMV.

To me, it's an interesting change of pace to fight navy aircraft in the CT environment.

mauser
(wishing he could fly but have too many things to do for the holidays)

bigUC · « **Reply #6 on:** December 21, 2001, 10:14:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Am0n:
I was wondering the same thing westy.. they are probably just sour becuase the hellcat eats the 109 up like candy.

Bf 109G-10 has 224 Kills of F6F-5
F6F-5 has 142 Kills of Bf 109G-10

You where waiting for this, right?

K West · « **Reply #7 on:** December 21, 2001, 10:48:00 AM »

Nope BigUC

This really had nothing to do with any arena stats everyone. My question is honest in that I cannot understand how anyone can ignore the contributions and combat experienced by the RN FAA and the USN air in the North Afrika, Mediteranean, Italy, France and the Norway theatres.

Starting in March of 1944 the RN FAA used F4U-1's off of Europe as well as F4Fs, TBFs and F6-F-3/5's as well as thier own Seafires and other English made aircraft.

The USN got in on the ETO action with the USS Ranger making hit and run attacks with RN escorts in 1943. The USN and FAA CAPped the airspace over France starting with D-Day until the battle went beyond the range of the aircraft to be of any benefit. Once that happened most naval units, RN as well as USN, were transfered to the Indian/PAcific oceans to combat the IJN/IJAAF/IJA

I have pictures of F6F-5's loaded with rockets ready for take off for attacks on targets in France as well as the F6F-5 with four crosses for LW planes shot down over France. I've not found much info on the F6F-5N night fighers that flew out of Corsica yet.

Westy

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #8 on:** December 21, 2001, 10:50:00 AM »

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Originally posted by O'Westy:
as well as the F6F-5 with four crosses for LW planes shot down over France

Oooo!!! Ooo!!! Can you post those? I want them. I've been saving WWII images, and this is something that sounds really rare (and cool).

Thanks!
-SW

funkedup · « **Reply #9 on:** December 21, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »

Remember "Hostile Shores"?
That wasn't a fantasy scenario. FAA sent Hellcats, Corsairs, and Avengers against coastal targets in Norway.

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K West · « **Reply #10 on:** December 21, 2001, 01:44:00 PM »

Roger that Funkedup. I wasn't able to join in that scenario but the back ground is what got me interested in learning more of the lesser segements in some theatres. I say "lesser" cause I'm uh AmMeRiKan and things generally tended to be Yank-o-centric growing up

Right now the CT could be viewed as a pseudo Norway or "Operation Anvil-Dragoon" setup.

Westy

p.s. SW I'll definately post them tonight. They are taken from a PDF file. I'm still looking for more, as well as better copies of the two I have.

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Seeker · « **Reply #11 on:** December 21, 2001, 02:12:00 PM »

Take a look at theis :
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/Avenger.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/fm/compass/tbmdd.jpg
Seeker

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Bah! How do you link (post?) to a picture on these things???

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funkedup · « **Reply #12 on:** December 21, 2001, 02:15:00 PM »

This is a good site too: http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Aircraftindex.htm

FAA had over 2000 Corsairs, over 1100 Hellcats, and over 900 Avengers. The Avengers fought just about everywhere, the Corsairs fought in the Pacific and Norway, and the Hellcats fought in the Pacific, Southern France, and Norway.

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Furious · « **Reply #13 on:** December 21, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »

The Sea Fury is a damn good looking plane.

Not that this has any bearing on the discussion at hand.

F.

-ammo- · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2001, 03:48:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious:
The Sea Fury is a damn good looking plane.

Not that this has any bearing on the discussion at hand.

F.

I agree, and it was really fast too. The fastest prop AC the RAF produced..I thik. Bu twasn't it introduced in like 1947...2 years after the war?