Author Topic: Why %Hit???? (Read 670 times)

Load · « **on:** July 01, 2002, 02:53:12 AM »

Yeah, I know the answer...just to sink the spreaders.....is that all??

Mmmm...... I think % hit doesnt has to do with skills and it makes some pilots droping at low ranks. If you take %hit away from stats computing..some guys could go from 200th to top 30.

If you can have a K/S of 2.0 and %hit of 5% (which is very poor) something tells us that %hit nothing has to do with skills. We could add % of wasted wasted at stats, It would be the same. It doesnt make sense to me. Some people use a lot of deflection shots (very difficult to make) and % gets lower. some guys have poor conection and % hit drops dramatically.

Take %Hit away from stats!!!!

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:23:08 AM »

Sounds to me like some rank-obsessed player has crappy aim.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Load · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2002, 03:43:18 AM »

Hahahaha:

It is sugar to flies. I knew some1 like you would post this. Save your work man. You are the first fly coming to my question.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2002, 05:47:24 AM »

Load, you may be right cause the % hit increases enormously with vulch sessions or attacking buffs, but, at the same time decreases rapidly using spray'n pray tactics.

What is better, to keep fighting til the end of fuel, so getting more kills per sortie and more kills per time, or returning to your base increasing your K/D ratio but penalizing enormously your K/T statistic?

Hristo · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2002, 06:41:40 AM »

Not all planes have same accuracy of their guns. 109, for example, can hit much further away than 190, compensating for its poor punch.

Hit % is a can of worms, you have RoF, v0, placement of guns, convergence issues, bullet drop - all lumped into one number. And pilot skill, of course.

If one flies c.202 with nose guns only. In those rare ocassions he bounces someone and stays on his six, firing. He will have quite a hit %.

OTOH, you have a guy in 190A-8, having to stick to snapshots. Most of rounds fired miss, he has to put a bullet stream for enemy to fly into. Even with practice, a lot of rounds are wasted.

As for shooting goes, you'd agree that hit % has little to do with what actually goes on in the air.

One of the prime example was Torque. You'd all agree his shooting was amazing. Yet, he always had what, 3-5 % !

Load · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2002, 07:20:36 AM »

MANDOBLE and Hristo, thx for your post.

Yep, you are right, K/D and K/T could be sometimes a paradox. I would also erase K/T from scores. Best pilots have a good K/S and even a good K/D.

%Hit doesnt has to do with SKILL!!!. Stat system could also count % you make a sortie full on fuel hehe. A high deflectionshot is 1.000 more difficult than a 6 aspect 300 yds shot. First will decrease your % hit. Secon will raise it....lol. No sense!!

gatt · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2002, 08:04:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Hristo
One of the prime example was Torque. You'd all agree his shooting was amazing. Yet, he always had what, 3-5 % !

He was good ... and his 3-5% was enuff thank to his 4x20mm Hispanos.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #7 on:** July 01, 2002, 08:27:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Load
Stat system could also count % you make a sortie full on fuel hehe.

That should be a mandatory stat, no more 25% dweebs

Hristo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 01, 2002, 08:28:15 AM »

Gatt, he flew an F4U, not really a turnfighter. How would he do if he fired only when saddled up ?

Instead, his flying was all snapshots. And with snapshots you are lucky if 1/10 rounds hit.

Why else BnZ birds have many guns ?

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #9 on:** July 01, 2002, 08:44:19 AM »

Hristo, snapshots in 190 or F4U may be quite accurate if you dont use the sight, instead of that u set your head some inches higher to have a more clear vision below your aircraft nose. It will not be as effective as a clean shot but will let you to keep easily a 10% or more of hit % firing at ranges below 350 yards at even extreme angles.

lazs2 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 01, 2002, 08:49:21 AM »

% hits doesn't tell us anything. It has nothing to do with how good a shot you are unless hitting the broad side of a barn is considered being a good shot. It is the most easily gamed stat. K/T is the least easily gamed and combined with K/D and K/S might give some kind if indication of skill. Without K/T, a very cautious person could get a very hoigh rank without ever actually fighting anyone who wasn't at the refrigerator or the can.
lazs

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #11 on:** July 01, 2002, 09:01:46 AM »

Saddly, K/T is also the best indicator of vulch parties too, or furball mess, or base defense in a 25% fuel loaded SpitV against lo cons comming from a CV.

All the stats are questionable. But, the most representative of real live are just K/S and K/D.

easymo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2002, 09:05:24 AM »

I once saw a "contest" at my granddaughters kindergarten class. All the children got an award for something (understandably). It reminded me of the AH scoring system.

Having 10 happy guys. And 2990 unhappy ones, is probably, not very profitable.

Fester' · « **Reply #13 on:** July 01, 2002, 09:32:10 AM »

This brings a question to my mind that I had lst night while busting towns. I know that if I am fighting PT boats my Accuracy % jumps off the charts.

Doesnt seem to do so with respect to GV's And obviously not with buildings. How are these rounds scored? Do they take away from accuracy, or are they simply not counted?

Just curious cause Im a Score potato and I want to exploit the system

Mathman · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2002, 10:40:27 AM »

The only thing that determines if you are good in this game is you. I don't need someone or some score system to tell me that I suck. I know I do. That is one of the reasons I keep coming back. I want to improve. Who cares about hit %, K/D, K/S, or K/T? It is all meaningless anyways. The real important thing is to have fun. Though I suppose having some computer scoring system telling you that you are the #1 pilot in a game might be some people's idea of fun.