Too many men?

[Hortlund]

On hold for 52 years?

What China has done after the communists came to power are mainly two things.
1) Get an iron grip on the domestic situation (this has been in waves, with some periods more active than others), and
2) Identify desirable territories outside the nations borders and try to get control over them using whatever means neccesary.

If you look at chinese history since 1945 you will see that China has been doing either 1) or 2) at any given moment in time.

[Wingnut_0]

Originally posted by Hortlund


1) Get an iron grip on the domestic situation (this has been in waves, with some periods more active than others), and
2) Identify desirable territories outside the nations borders and try to get control over them using whatever means neccesary.

Sounds like alot of other countries

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Wingnut_0


Sounds like alot of other countries

Yeah, Germany 1934 comes to mind, or Japan 1936 or the Soviet union, or Iraq, or Iran...

[Eaglecz]

reason , why people of chinna can have only 1 child were their population. they were over 1 000 000 000 ... that restriction was need

Why do they like boys more that girls ?
its quite simple.. because boys can do Hard work, girls cant
this problem is related to their country side not towns

and my sources are people of chine whitch live in czech rep.


130 boys and 100 girls...... well whats wrong ??

when 1 Guy can live with 6 wifes in the middle east, 1 chinesse girl can live with 2 boys at far east ......

they are people , they will find some way if you will not solve their problems by this way http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020702/ts_nm/afghan_usa_bombing_dc_21&e=3&ncid=578
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[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by -dead-

World conquest is not in China's interest -

I beg to differ...

A U.S. Congressional Report states, "Worldwide, China
                   appears to be progressively positioning itself commercially and
                   militarily along the key naval choke points between the Indian Ocean,
                   the South China Sea; the Straits of Malacca; the central Pacific; the
                   coast of Hawaii; the Caribbean; and now the Panama Canal."

                   In addition, continues the report, "China’s flagship commercial
                   shipping fleet China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO), is directly
                   connected to the Peoples’s Liberation Army and Chinese communist
                   government. COSCO ships have served as [carriers] for massive
                   smuggling operations...of weapons, drugs and illegal aliens...,
                   missiles and components of weapons of mass destruction...."

                   This activity appears to be part of a plan to implement what China refers
                   to as "unrestricted war." The plan theoretically levels the playing field
                   with the vastly superior U.S. military. It calls for strategic positioning of
                   China’s military, while employing terrorism, computer sabotage,
                   financial strangulation, drug trafficking, propaganda and other
                   destabilizing schemes to weaken the U.S. and create political upheaval.

                   Part of this strategy includes flooding the U.S. with low cost products
                   produced by a PLA front called COSCO. These products are made with
                   slave labor, undercutting competition in the American marketplace.
                   Income from these profits are then used to modernize the Chinese
                   military.

                   COSCO’s recent attempt to purchase the Long Beach Naval Yard
                   would have allowed the PLA a beachhead on U.S. soil. Although that
                   failed because a public outcry, China has is having resounding success
                   in taking over the Panama Canal through a company called
                   Hutchinson-Whampoa Ltd. The U.S. withdraws from Panama on
                   December 31, this year. (See side-bar).

                   Like COSCO, Hutchinson-Whampoa Ltd. has direct ties with the PRC
                   and the PLA. It is owned by Hong Kong billionaire Dr. Li Ka-shing, who
                   in turn, is in partnership with COSCO. Hutchinson-Whampoa already
                   controls the port facilities of Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the
                   Atlantic, and will control the entire Canal next January.

                   Control of the Canal permits a military base for the PLA. China can also
                   open the door to drug trafficking and terrorists—all while imposing a
                   potential choke-hold on U.S. Atlantic/Pacific shipping and naval
                   operations. And thanks to the technology China either bought or stole
                   from the U.S., much of the southeastern U.S. is now within reach of
                   increasingly accurate Chinese mid-range nuclear missiles.

                   With its willingness to use terrorism and other nonmilitary means within
                   U.S. borders to neutralize U.S. superiority in the Western Pacific, China
                   has become a real threat to every American citizen. Especially if China
                   truly believes it must retake Taiwan now, before global governance is
                   legally imposed in September, 2000. V mc

                    Source: http://www.discerningtoday.org/members/Digest/1999Digest/August/The%20Growing%20Chinese%20Threat.htm

[Wingnut_0]

oh my..err your God....


can't you find a better source than some wacked out spin off of the 700 doomtimes website.  

Love their other story's:

Just how much did the U.S. intelligence agencies know and when did they know it?
 What role did oil play in this tragic event and the subsequent attack on Afghanistan?  
 Did the international cable of global elitists play a role in creating or allowing this tragedy to happen so as to justify the abdication of civil rights for Americans and the elimination of those national governments that oppose world government?
 Will this be a war between civilizations?

I don't know what bothers me more, the website or that you apparently have it bookmarked.

{ooh  and I like this quote too:  The vast majority of Americans refuse to believe that world government is being formed right before their eyes. Even Christians and Jews who are warned in the Bible to look for such a government are being deceived. Through never before experienced global delusion, many people, pastors, churches, rabbis and synagogues are helping to pro-mote the agenda! They refuse to believe that an absolute totalitarian government steeped in mystic pantheism will soon dictate the actions of every human being on earth. While Americans are denying it, it is being openly discussed in Europe, and in the inner governmental circles of Russia and China. Read in this highly referenced and explosive book how this plan is being implemented step by step}  {added at the bottom: 100 pages; deliberately short so it can be read quickly}

LMFAO  

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Wingnut_0
oh my..err your God....


can't you find a better source than some wacked out spin off of the 700 doomtimes website.  



LMFAO    

I'm sure I can find as many holes in your liberal agenda websites.

[Wingnut_0]

Sry but I don't subscribe to the Republican or Democrat automated response systems.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Wingnut_0
Sry but I don't subscribe to the Republican or Democrat automated response systems.

Ahhh, A "CNN--I get all the info I need from 5 min. of news each evening" type.

[Wingnut_0]

I read to many news sites.  But I put alot less credit to any of those 1 step removed from Heaven Gate sites than I do CNN.

[-dead-]

Yeah Ripsnort, and Hutchison Port Holdings are an evil communist plot to strangle the Panama Canal....  
I told the PR department of HPH about one of those "HPH is a branch of the PLA" websites (newsmax I believe it was)... they enjoyed .
The 3 head honchos of HPH make unlikely PLA recruits: - a Brit, an American and a Kiwi.
Directors of China's Evil Plot
BTW You should worry much more:
HPH also runs: Freeport in the Bahamas; Ensenada International Terminal in Mexico; Buenos Aires Container Terminal; International Ports Services, Dammam, Saudi Arabia; Europe Container Terminals in Rotterdam; The Ports of Felixstowe, Thamesport (London) and Harwich in the UK; Jakarta Container Port in Indonesia; Korea International Terminals, Kwangyang Port; Hutchison Busan Container Terminal (HBCT) and Hutchison Gamman Container Terminal (HGCT) both in Busan Port, Korea; Westport Malaysia; Myanmar International Terminals Thilawa; Karachi International Container Terminal, Pakistan; Thai Laemchabang Terminal in Thailand.
Worse still!
The Evil Li Ka Shing is also a  Knight (Commander of the Order) of the British Empire in the UK, a Grand Officer of the Order Vasco Nunez de Balboa in Panama, and The Commander in the Leopold Order in Belgium!

So by the same logic - (shock!horror! multinational port corporation buys ports!) - what then are we to make of McDonald's stranglehold on the world's Airports? An evil insidious US government plot?
Keep the tinfoil hat on, Rip or they'll know what you're thinking!

Edit:
ROFLMAO - Just noticed Rip's hyper accurate "discerning" website can't even spell: it's Hutchison Whampoa not Hutchinson-Whampoa

[-dead-]

2) Identify desirable territories outside the nations borders and try to get control over them using whatever means neccesary.

 

Gee Hortlund - care to give some examples? Don't forget they've got to be aggressive, warmongering ones!
(they'd better not include the HPH thing though - we're covering that)

[Sikboy]

I thought I recognised the prose that was quoted in that "Congressional Report" So I went looking for it. I went back as far as 1995, and I can find no record of such a report. It would be nice if it had been better identified. I guess it was classified

But really, I don't know what to do with this information. I mean, I'm not convinced that China is out to take over the world. But I don't think they are just trying to be nice to everyone either. I believe that China is a bad place. Perhaps they aren't too bad by Autocratic Dictator standards (by wich I mean: They actually give a damn about most of their people) Respect for Human Rights and basic freedoms are a grave concern. Respect for Taiwan is also a grave concern. We are addressing both of these issues with our foreign policy. We are trying (and I can see how some people have a problem with this one) to encourage an increase in the respect for human rights and freedom by helping China reform her economic policies. This goes back to Maslov's Heirarchy of needs that we discussed earlier. Give them food and Shelter, and only then will the people demand freedom. Poverty is a great motivator for keeping people under a communist regime. Especially if you can blame the US for your poverty (rightly or wrongly). with regard to Taiwan, we have set a pretty hefty deterrence plan into action (as I mentioned before).

I think we have China well in hand. Does China have a defense plan pertaining to the US? I'm sure they do. Is it mean and nasty? Probably. But so is ours. I guess drug smuggling and computer hacking sound pretty low, but pointing a couple hundred nukes at someone is pretty low too. Not that I'm against a strong defense policy, I guess I'm just saying that we need aims and objectives that are clear and obtainable. I don't think that viewing China as a warmongering death machine contributes to such aims and objectives. Mostly becuase I believe that it is inaccurate.

-Sikboy

[Ripsnort]

If China tries to take Taiwan, then its a war mongering nation, she knows its what the US considers a key to peace in the region:

It is the policy of the United States to consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States; to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character; and to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people of Taiwan.[/i]

The United States takes its obligation to assist Taiwan in maintaining a self-defense capability very seriously. This is not only because it is mandated by U.S. law in the TRA, but also because it is in our own national interest. As long as Taiwan has a capable defense, the environment will be more conducive to peaceful dialogue, and thus the whole region will be more stable. The United States actively monitors the security situation in the Taiwan Strait, and provides articles and services to Taiwan to ensure it can maintain a sufficient self-defense capability.

Also, old news below, but its military build up in the area not only shows that it intends agression, but will do it soon.

Better pick a side Dead, its not a matter of "if", its a matter of "when".

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/12/214624.shtml

[midnight Target]

Darnit Sikboy! We need someone to pin the devil mask onto, or the Book of Revelations is doomed!
Rip, that source is really beneath you bud. All I can say is ewwwwwwww.