Author Topic: Poll: Half Willing To Suspend Freedoms (Read 1293 times)

udet · « **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2002, 08:27:17 PM »

i hope they won't stop immigration of europeans. I don't care about the other countries

StSanta · « **Reply #46 on:** July 12, 2002, 06:10:50 AM »

Damn Udie, I find myself agreeing totally with you

If you give away something to the government in wyas of freedom, you will never get it back. Once the bureaucrats have started reaping the fruits of having the extra power, they'll have an incentive to keep it. Even if they didn't, the full weight f a bureaucratic machine means it has a momentum that is very effective at keeping on going in whatever direction it already is going at.

A government is not supposed to be a big, sacred better knowing entity that knows what is best for you and acts out to do things that, in the end, favours you. In this country, people have this attitude about government.

Nay, a government is a collection of people who *want power* and *seek it*, often ruthlessly. Nowadays, they ahve to go through the democratic process, but do not fool yourself into thinking the desire in power in these people is any different from the Counts, Earls and Dukes of the past, because it ain't.

These people want *their* view on how things should be to prevail.

Do you want someone else to run your life?

'Give me liberty or give me death' sums it up pretty nicely, as does the other quote about giving up freedom for security.

Sheeit yanks. Those two very statements, IMHO, are what make you AMERICANS. Beyond being whacky with religion, fastfood, bad music and guns, of course.

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Hortlund · « **Reply #47 on:** July 12, 2002, 06:16:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

Why the amazinhunk attitude?

Hortlund · « **Reply #48 on:** July 12, 2002, 06:22:15 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning!

Civil Rights are good
Giving them up is bad

That is my whine.

That is also your opinion. In theory, in a democracy, you are supposed to accept the fact that other people might have different opinions than you. You are also supposed to accept the fact that the people with the different opinions are allowed to work towards their goals, just as you work towards yours.

But apparently this is not correct when it comes to conservatives, because their opinions and goals are "dangerous" or "wrong".

You liberals and the hypocricy you are displaying make me wanna puke.

Hortlund · « **Reply #49 on:** July 12, 2002, 06:27:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

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I'm not speaking for me either. I don't use encryption. Maybe you see the point with this quote.

Speak up for the communists before it is too late?

Udie · « **Reply #50 on:** July 12, 2002, 08:19:31 AM »

[Originally posted by StSanta
Damn Udie, I find myself agreeing totally with you

Well when you've got as many personalities swimming around in your head as I do, sooner or later one of them is bound to say something that everybody will agree with!

Nifty · « **Reply #51 on:** July 12, 2002, 09:45:23 AM »

well, as long as the terrorists only hit full bloodied liberals and conservatives only I'll be happy. We'd be better off with a few less people who blindly follow mantras.

StSanta · « **Reply #52 on:** July 12, 2002, 10:12:56 AM »

Udie, my personalities will gang up on your personalities.

PFFFEH!

Sandman · « **Reply #53 on:** July 12, 2002, 10:31:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

Why the amazinhunk attitude?

If I'm an amazinhunk for pointing out a troll, so be it.

Sandman · « **Reply #54 on:** July 12, 2002, 10:32:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

Speak up for the communists before it is too late?

You missed the point. It's not about communism.

It's about standing up for the rights of everyone and not just oneself.

Sandman · « **Reply #55 on:** July 12, 2002, 10:36:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

That is also your opinion. In theory, in a democracy, you are supposed to accept the fact that other people might have different opinions than you. You are also supposed to accept the fact that the people with the different opinions are allowed to work towards their goals, just as you work towards yours.

But apparently this is not correct when it comes to conservatives, because their opinions and goals are "dangerous" or "wrong".

You liberals and the hypocricy you are displaying make me wanna puke.

We're a republic.

In any case, the judicial branch spends a lot of time making certain that the majority doesn't trample over the rights of the minority. It's not nearly as simple as, "majority rule."

Were that the case in this country, words like "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance would not be an issue.

Udie · « **Reply #56 on:** July 12, 2002, 11:37:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

We're a republic.

In any case, the judicial branch spends a lot of time making certain that the majority doesn't trample over the rights of the minority. It's not nearly as simple as, "majority rule."

Were that the case in this country, words like "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance would not be an issue.

or civil rights in the 60's!

Creto · « **Reply #57 on:** July 12, 2002, 11:53:03 AM »

" 'Necessity' is the plea for every infringement of human liberty; it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."--William Pitt

AKIron · « **Reply #58 on:** July 12, 2002, 12:56:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
We are NOT in any greater danger from a terrorist attack now than we were before September 11th, 2001.

True, but since we were attacked 9/11 that means we were in imminent danger then as perhaps we are now. Not sure I understand your point.

Hortlund · « **Reply #59 on:** July 12, 2002, 01:13:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

We're a republic.

In any case, the judicial branch spends a lot of time making certain that the majority doesn't trample over the rights of the minority. It's not nearly as simple as, "majority rule."

Were that the case in this country, words like "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance would not be an issue.

Oh really? I thought you were a monarchy.

Who said anyting about majority rule? I said that in a democracy you have to accept that other people work towards different goals. That is not what you liberals are doing.