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Offline Buzzbait

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« on: July 12, 2002, 02:55:39 AM »
"The Siege of Malta"  Spring 1942

Bishop are Axis

Knight are British and U.S.

Malta is under seige by the combined forces of Italy and Nazi Germany.

It is unclear if the island, key to the chances of Britain holding
onto North Africa, will survive.

Axis win if they take all locations on Malta.  

British win if they hold.

LVT's are only enabled on Convoy Task Groups

C-47's are only enabled for the Axis, and only at one Field.

Italian and German airfields are separate.


Planeset:

Axis

German

109E4
109F4
110C4
Ju88A

Italian

C-202
SM79  (Ju88a)

Ground

M3
M8
M16
Ostwind
Mk IV


Allied

British

Hurri I
Hurri IIC
Hurri IID
KittyHawk (P-40E)
Boston

British CV's

Sea Hurricane I (Hurri I)
TBM

U.S. CV's

F4f4
SBD

Ground

M3
M8
M16
Ostwind
Mk IV
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Offline RRAM

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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2002, 07:56:14 AM »
very nice setup :) can't wait to fly in it.

However, how about enabling SBD in German fields?. Those could emulate the german stukas which were present in the malta battles of 1941-43


I think they should be enabled :)
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Offline marcof

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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2002, 07:56:57 AM »
When does this start???


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Offline Eagler

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2002, 08:13:02 AM »
looks good
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2002, 08:44:08 AM »
Nice job Buzzbait!
Great idea Grunherz.
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Offline Nifty

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2002, 08:54:13 AM »
naw, use the Val if you're gonna sub a Stuka.  ;)  Both have fixed gear and can actually stall fight pretty decently.  Of course, Val's got nothing but peashooters...
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Offline RRAM

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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2002, 09:13:57 AM »
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naw, use the Val if you're gonna sub a Stuka.  ;)  Both have fixed gear and can actually stall fight pretty decently.  Of course, Val's got nothing but peashooters...



the German Ju87R "stuka" which took part in the mediterranean fights, could lob a 500kg bomb and four 50kg bombs on the wing. .
In the bombing of the HMS "invincible" ,Fliegerkorps X used a 1000kg bomb. It was a very sturdy and reliable machine too.



So, while even the loadout of the SBD doesn't match that bombload,  it can emulate it quite well.

However the Val can lob only a 250kg bomb in the center rack, and it's made of paper.


SBD is the correct plane to emulate a Stuka. The val is simply too fragile and carry too little a bombload to do it properly.
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Offline Nifty

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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2002, 09:47:07 AM »
then don't emulate the Stuka at all.
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Offline RRAM

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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2002, 10:35:46 AM »
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then don't emulate the Stuka at all.


That's not a good solution and you know it. In the previous arena settings the Japanese got a Ki67, even while it was an early 1942 setting, to emulate a Ki21 or a Betty, even while the Ki67 is so much superior to both.

Now I ask for an INFERIOR plane to take the place of a stuka and you say "no"?. Why?. It was there. It was extensively used. The SBD can take that role even when its a worse divebomber than the stuka. So I ask it to be put in the set for the germans.


If your argument to say NO is "if you ain't got a stuka in, don't emulate it with another plane"....then erase those Mark IVs and Oswinds in the allied set. You don't have allied tanks to put in the allied ground forces so don't emulate them at all.

Also, erase those Hurricane Is from the brit CVs. They are not SEA hurricanes, so no way in emulating them.

Same solution for same problem in both sides. Deal?.

I guess not  ,huh?.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2002, 12:57:16 PM by RRAM »
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Offline Sabre

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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2002, 11:12:11 AM »
Easy, guys.  Let's not blow this whole issue out of proportion.  Play balance is a number-one priority in deriving a set up.  The Japanese had the Ki67 in the last set up because it is the only Japanese Medium bomber we had, and was necessary to balance against the Boston III.  The three factors we try to consider in setting up the plane sets in the CT are: Balanced capabilites, balanced number of plane choices, and immersion.  We've very much been trying to get away from using plane substitutions that involve using an Allied plane for an Axis one and and Axis plane for and Allied one.  A secondary goal is to avoid using ETO-only planes in the PTO and vice versa.  These are immersion factors, versus allowing the later war Ki67 in the 1942-43 Burma set up, which was a play balance issue.  While the current set up gives the Allied a dive bomber when the Axis don't, you'll note that they are restricted to a single CV (same for the TBM).  This is IMNSHO more than balanced by the greater JABO capability of the Axis planeset.  So relax and enjoy the set up...and watch out for me in P-40 :).

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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2002, 11:17:28 AM »
Sabre.

That is a point of view that even while I don't share completely (I still miss a stuka-like plane hehehe), I understand completely, and respect.


I hope you understand that my previous posts were not intended to go against this setup in any way. My last post was a reply to an answer I found way out of place in this context (bassically "you don't have one because I simply think you shouldn't).  Nifty's answer was in no way a well thought reason as the one you explained in your post, so I just answered with a good deal of sarcasm.

Well, I guess I'll dive bomb in a Ju88 in the end ;). No big deal...but I want a stukaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaah ;) :D

« Last Edit: July 12, 2002, 11:39:03 AM by RRAM »
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Offline Nifty

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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2002, 12:46:45 PM »
I'm having a bad day.  It's not an excuse for making the post, it's just the reason.

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Offline RRAM

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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2002, 12:56:38 PM »
np nifty ,we all have some of those ;)

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Offline Sabre

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2002, 02:22:27 PM »
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np nifty ,we all have some of those ;)


What, babys? Hehe.  It's cool, RRAM .  I figured as much, but wanted to explain a bit about the set-up design discussions that go on in the CT Staff forum.  Believe me, I now how you feel about a much desired plane's absence from the planeset...at least I did, until the P-40 was released;).

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2002, 03:55:32 PM »
Just finished my first hour in the CT.  So far it seems to play just as wonderfully as I imagined it would.  The 109F, while my marksmanship in it stinks something fierce (see note 1 below), seems to hold all the cards (see note 2 below).  The P-40E though is touch enough that you had better never let yourself get into a spot that you can't run or climb out of quickly.

and a hearty thanks to the CT staff.  So long as at least one other person is in the CT this week, you won't see me in the MA.

Note 1:  My sincerest regrets to the brave Italian 202 pilots who gave up their lives needlessly when I failed to clear their sixes.  I shall personaly write your next of kin with tales of your valor.

Note 2: Am I a dweeb for picking the fastest and best climbing plane in the planeset?  I may not be able to sleep tonight.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2002, 02:53:39 AM by HFMudd »
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