Combat Theater Reset with some changes

[Buzzbait]

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The Arenas seem to have rebooted themselves again, and we lost the setup.

I reset with some changes.  Added Spit V at some fields for the Brits, since people were complaining the 109's were having their way too easily.

Also added the 109G2.

[Kweassa]

"The 109s having their way to easy.." ... LOL.. there's something you don't hear everyday.  I remember fighting a Hurri2C in my 109F-4. He was a great talented pilot, and took near everything I had to shoot him down in a 'superior' 109.

 Man, who cares if the 109s zoom higher and faster? The Hurris and Spits may zoom worse, but it regains its versatile turning ability in two seconds.... while the 109 grunts around trying to turn the nose down at the same time trying not to fall into a flat spin, a Hurri or a Spit noses up, stalls first, then recovers, then noses up again to meet a HO.

 Seeing a Hurri do that was hard enough... now, some people just HAD to have Spitfires, huh? Geez..  

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 but in any account, I graciously accept the staff decision, whether I like it or not. Ah well.. better get the Gustav prepped up again...

[RRAM]

then enable 109F and G in all fields. please.

[cajun]

Can you re-enable the Hurrican MkI  please ?

[WildBlue]

And now the allies have the 38 too? Sheesh... do ya think you could at least give us the 190A5? Maybe? PLEASE?

Hmmm... never thought I would see the day when I became a LuftWhiner, lol:D

[oboe]

I hope the presence of the Spit doesn't mean that's all I'll run into.   I haven't had a chance to fly the CT yet, but was really hoping to tun into some P-40s in combat.

[Löwe]

Originally posted by oboe
I hope the presence of the Spit doesn't mean that's all I'll run into.   I haven't had a chance to fly the CT yet, but was really hoping to tun into some P-40s in combat.

No Oboe you won't run into just Spitfires, you will run into P-38L's as well.

Hmm..........  Seems the only difference between a Luftwhinner, and an Alliedwhiner is the Alliedwhiner gets a better plane.

Actually last night I was suprised that now there were Spitfires, and P-38s. Last week, the Axis had one fighter against 3 Allied.
Contrary to popular myth, the zeke didnt not own the arena. The F4F and the Hurricanes, clobbered the Zekes unless, they made the mistake of getting slow. This set-up was going to be pretty much the same but with the roles reversed. if it was oaky for the Axis to deal with last week, why is it a problem this week?
I gotto go dry my little Luftwhinner tears.

[ergRTC]

I dont really know why they were added either.  We had a ball in the p40s last night.  I think the 38 is way over the top, and the spit 5 is really not needed.  The reason for these setups is to get a reasonable match up, and you have that with the hurri2 alone against the 109e or f.  The p40e is a very competent plane.  Whoever was whining should have just tried flying smarter.  I hate it when the enemy has a much better plane, and I am sure they feel the same way.

If its not historical, make it matched at least.

If you feel you need that speed, you are flying badly and a spit or 38 probably wont help you too much.  Lose em.

Hell, I dont even fly axis.

[Nifty]

The Macchi is outmatched in this setup, well in regards to the F4F (the Allied CV had been parked close to Sicily, so that's where the fight was).  The only plane the 109F was truly owning was the Boston.  *shrugs*  When I switched over to Allieds after the numbers evened out (it was 12 allieds to 5 axis before I logged in) I found I had a very decent time in the F4F against the 109s, and completely ate up Ju88s and C202s.

All ground vehicles were enabled from the Allied fleets when I played on Saturday.  Nothing like getting a Panzer or a M16 into the water!  

P-38L is definitely unbalancing in this setup.  No more need for the Boston, unless you just like having the formation.  P-38 carries same bomb load, plus 10 rockets.  And can actually defend itself.  Boston is a sitting duck unless you want to lose your 2 wingmen in manuevers (which I did and gave hblair a hard time to get the lead buff.  my goal was to drag him far enough away to where he'd run out of fuel before RTB.  didn't work tho.   )

Spit V...  well, wasn't the Spit V stationed in Malta at this time?  Or did it not come over until after the Allied invasion of Sicily?  (I'm not sure on dates with the Med. stuff)

[ergRTC]

you think the 202 is outclassed?  I have not done the 202/f4f matchup yet, but it out maneuvers anything else up there and is nearly if not faster as well.

I think they should definitely lose the 38 and in my opinion lose the spit5.   Even if it was there, it is a bit much.

[cajun]

I think spitV and p38 are to late war for this set up, if its going to be spits only enable the spitI or at least the IIc! And can I have my old hurricaneI back? (Of course I don't care if ya replace it with a Gladiator! This map screams Gladiators, CR42's & some nice Italian bombers to shoot!:D )

[HFMudd]

Pity the historical pilot couldn't just get send an email or two and Spit V's and P38's would appear...

Anyway, if the Franz was an overmatch, would it not have been better to simply make it available one field farther back?  As somebody who prefers Axis but will switch to balance the sides I never felt helpless in the P40 or F4F.  Yes the Franz controlled the fight, just as I controlled the fights where I was in the Franz, but I never felt that I was simply meat waiting to be taken.  In one great dog fight with a Hurricane, I would have been dead a couple times if it were a Hurri IIC instead of a I or if I had held a turn a moment too long.

Also, I had only just discovered the C202.  I selected 12.7mm-only loadout and must say that I was surprised.  That thing can do 450mph in a dive and still has good control authority!  I was actually looking forward to switching from the 109 to it for a while.  It is going to be a lot more frustrating to fly it if the opponents are the Spit V and the P38.

I think in one shot here, you may as well have reduced the planeset to just the 109F, the Spit V and the P38.  The only saving grace is that most of the people who fly the CT seem to do it for the challenge instead of the kill ratio.  So I am sure the other planes will still appear as well.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Löwe
No Oboe you won't run into just Spitfires, you will run into P-38L's as well.

Adding the spits (and 38s?) (really?) was a mistake.

- oldman

[Nifty]

Here you guys go.

1942 and European operations had taken precedence over those in the Middle and Far East theatres. The first overseas deployment of Spitfires as fighters took place on 7 March, when 15 tropicalised Mk V's carrying 90-gallon slipper fuel tanks took off from the flight deck of HMS Eagle bound for Malta, 600 miles (960 km) away. Subsequent deliveries in the same manner turned the air battle for Malta in the RAF's favour. One aircraft suffered fuel-feed failure and became the first Spitfire without a hook to land on an aircraft carrier.

This setup according to Buzz's original post is Spring 1942.  Spitfire Mk Vb (and later Vc) were very much a part of the defense of Malta prior to the tide changing and the Allied invasion of Sicily in 1943.  That's just for the Mediterranean campaign.  The Spitfire V and the Hurricane IIc both saw service in Europe starting around April 1941.  Contrast that to the C202 which didn't enter service until November of the same year.

This isn't to say that the Spit V should or shouldn't be included in the setup, this is just saying that the Spit V was in Malta in the Spring of 1942, and in fact had been in service in England for a year's time.

P-38L saw first service 2 years after Buzz's setup, btw.

[Löwe]

I can live with the SpitV, I'm not real high on it, but what the hey. This is an online sim , and your gonna see Spits. The P-38L is over the top, and to be honest I'm not real sure the 109G2 was at Malta. I know it came out in 1942, but I have no idea when the first models reached the Med area. However regardless of all the comments to the CT staff, anything you guys put out is more enjoyable to me than flying in MA.
Just don't let Eskimo2 talk you into giving us IJ types a setup with Godzilla, unless the Yanks get the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.