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-ammo- · « **on:** July 17, 2002, 11:56:51 PM »

One tough Airplane. caption reads--

"Rhubarbs often revealed the the enemy was shooting back with a vengeance. This P-47D23 assigned to the 358th FG was on such a mission when flak took out a couple of cylinders, rearranging the cowl lines. A hot oil bath could not do much to aid the pilot in attempting to return to base. But this one managed to do a great job in bringing his fighter home without additional damage.

Innominate · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2002, 12:10:01 AM »

What a mess.

whgates3 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2002, 03:21:07 AM »

heres some pics of Robert Johnson's P-47 after it was hit by 200 x 7.92mm & 21 x 20mm from a FW 190 over france (he flew remains of the Jug back to base in England)

this one, not Robert Johnson, but from the 56th FG, also flew home

-ammo- · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2002, 06:31:25 AM »

Last pic in gates post reflects a direct hit from 88mm AAA fire:) I have the same pic.

Staga · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2002, 07:08:20 AM »

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Originally posted by -ammo-
Last pic in gates post reflects a direct hit from 88mm AAA fire:) I have the same pic.

Are you sure it was done by 88mm FlaK ?

-ammo- · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2002, 08:49:02 AM »

Thats what the caption says, I imagine the pilot reported that after he made it back. He was flying through a field of AAA over German territory and reported that. No way to prove it.

udet · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2002, 08:17:13 PM »

No P47 in AH can survive 21 20mm hits. Conclusion? P47s are not as tough as they were in real life!

whgates3 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:01:47 PM »

Robert Johnson's Jug didn't survive - it was scrapped soon after it brought him home, but it did fly home. If AH's dammage modeling were half as accurate as those pictures you would be playing at fractions of frames per sec, rather than fractions of seconds per frame

udet · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:48:51 PM »

well then just make the Jugs tougher-like any hits scored on them to count half as much as they count on other planes.

Pongo · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2002, 11:16:56 PM »

as long as you make the 50 cal half as leathal at the same time..

whgates3 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2002, 02:49:19 AM »

maybe you would be better off if you just didn't let anyone get info firing position

RRAM · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2002, 06:05:02 AM »

for each plane which reached home with that kind of damage there were lots which weren't able to do it. That one plane reached home this way is just the proof that lady luck exists in war.

BTW, no plane in AH can stand the damage their historic counterparts could. If you increase the thoughness of one plane, you must do it with all.

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2002, 06:15:00 AM »

Unlucky "Double S" was downed by AA guns of the plantluenne - airfield. The P 47 belonged to the 8 US Airforce, 353rd FG the pilot was Lt. Cletus W. Peterson who became a POW after this belly landing...

-ammo- · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2002, 02:19:32 PM »

The P-47 was without a doubt the toughest, most reliable, single engine fighter of WWII. Some may argue that the F4U and the IL2 may be, and no doubt, they are in the same category.

As far as AH goes, I think the jugs relative toughness in comparison to other AH AC is right on the money. I do however think that the damage model in AH could be improved on.

PS..there aint nuthin wrong with 50 cal performance in AH.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2002, 07:07:54 AM »

Think jugs are pretty tough here, but only from 109s in my experience. Had a 109 on my 6 trying to save his buddy as I followed him up a loop. I heard about 10 cannon pings plus mgs. My Jug survived his buddy didnt. When I fly my 109s without gondolas, I am annoyed by p-47s as they take quite a bit to kill them.

On the other hand the p38 is way too tough now. I have seen one survive a direct hit from 75mm ap, multiple hispano passesand 3x40mm before they fall apart.