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« on: August 06, 2002, 07:38:07 PM »
Does US Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism?

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1998 According to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, terrorism is the most important threat the United States and the world face as the 21st century begins. High-level U.S. officials have acknowledged that terrorists are now more likely to be able to obtain and use nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons than ever before.

Yet most attention has been focused on combating terrorism by deterring and disrupting it beforehand and retaliating against it after the fact. Less attention has been paid to what motivates terrorists to launch attacks. According to the Pentagon's Defense Science Board, a strong correlation exists between U.S. involvement in international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the United States. President Clinton has also acknowledged that link...
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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2002, 08:14:22 PM »
Instead of asking that way, maybe: "Is our involment overseas the right thing to do?"  If we do the right thing, and terrorists attack, should we just cower back from them?

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2002, 08:37:23 PM »
We may well be the richest, most powerful nation on earth.  That means that any action, or for that matter, any inaction is garunteed to piss somebody off.

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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2002, 08:44:58 PM »
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We may well be the richest, most powerful nation on earth.  That means that any action, or for that matter, any inaction is garunteed to piss somebody off.


That fits... according to the article, 33% of all terrorist attacks are aimed at the U.S.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2002, 09:07:22 PM »
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Sandman, that is exactly the goal of terrorisim... to try to make a country think its policies breed terrorism, and implying that if you change your policies, the killing of innocents and destruction of property will stop.

Only terrorists can breed more terrorists, and that is exactly what is taking place.  

Let me ask you one: Do you think the Islamic religeon is a cultural environment and philosophy that provides a breeding ground for terrorists???
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2002, 09:38:04 PM »
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Let me ask you one: Do you think the Islamic religeon is a cultural environment and philosophy that provides a breeding ground for terrorists???


No more than a christian one.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2002, 09:48:41 PM »
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No more than a christian one.


You don't see a connection between Islam and terrorism???
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2002, 10:06:46 PM »
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You don't see a connection between Islam and terrorism???


I DO!!  Those damn Islamic Irish have been blowing half of Ireland for years!!:mad:

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2002, 10:17:43 PM »
Is that it, Thrawn? :)
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2002, 10:29:00 PM »
I agree! America must withdraw from the world stage... we must not get involved in world politics and must be isolationists. That way we will never have to go to war again...  

BTW

It's all America's fault always! And the WTC was attacked by white-haired buddhist Norwegian grandmothers working for Mossad.


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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2002, 02:04:41 AM »
Uhh folks.
Terrorism comes in two basic flavours.
There's the "Let's make a name for ourselves and our movement by fighting geopolitical power number n." where n < 3.
Then there's the
"Life here is so bad, the only form of resistance anybody will notice is if we futilely attack the power oppressing us and draw attention to our cause."

Both these approaches are fundamentally neutral to the cause involved.  After all, the logic of any particular position has to be independent of any individual's illogical actions.

For example, if I (heaven forfend!) bust into a maternity ward, and slaughter babies in a pattern that spells out "America is the home of the Free" and head into the ICU ward for "Unless you believe in Christ, you shall not be saved", that atrocious action does not invalidate the message.  All it says is that I'm an inhuman amazinhunk, period.

The distinction still exists.  The Hezbollah condemned the WTC attack.  That doesn't make them saints; it just suggests their attitude towards slaughtering innocents is different.

Now, yeah, if you don't think US international policy screws some people over, you haven't been paying attention to the news.  If you think US international policy can ever not screw over someone undeserving of being screwed over, you're a democrat or republican of the worst kind.
If you think isolationism is the key, consider the fact that we're paying $1.40 /gallon for gasoline right now, and complaining of the high prices. (for those of you in europe, that's .40 euros / litre).
The price at the pump has been a major political objective since the Carter administration.
(yeah sure, it's more than that, but we can spell that out too).

Don't mistake me -- I don't condone any terroristic action; nor do I consider legitimate many state-sanctioned forms of slaughter.  But we can't lick an enemy we don't understand.  (unless of course, you want to tell me that that whole "vietnam" thing was the lack of fighting resolve of the american people against a legitimate threat to its national security)

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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2002, 02:17:38 AM »
Gunthr - Oh yeah. The Koran is full of overt encouragement for terrorism. It's sooo obvious where they get their self-righteous belief. Damn that Mohammed!

Get a shrecking clue. These people aren't interested in religion - they want territory, influence and power. Religion is a romantic cover story to give strength to their cause and unite a people - which seems to have completely fooled idiotic Westerners like yourself.

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2002, 02:31:29 AM »
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Get a shrecking clue. These people aren't interested in religion - they want territory, influence and power. Religion is a romantic cover story to give strength to their cause and unite a people - which seems to have completely fooled idiotic Westerners like yourself.


Quit talking about Christians and Catholics, what about the Muslims? ;)

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2002, 02:45:36 AM »
Well I know the Philippines better knock off that world domination stuff.  Or they will send more terrorist over there.

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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2002, 03:54:29 AM »
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Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Gunthr - Oh yeah. The Koran is full of overt encouragement for terrorism. It's sooo obvious where they get their self-righteous belief. Damn that Mohammed!

Get a shrecking clue. These people aren't interested in religion - they want territory, influence and power. Religion is a romantic cover story to give strength to their cause and unite a people - which seems to have completely fooled idiotic Westerners like yourself.


The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems:
"Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans."

Sura 9, verse 5, adds:
"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam."