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Offline Elfenwolf

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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2002, 11:20:29 PM »
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The school should not be given custody of the students during the school day.


Well, excuse ME, but as a parent I want to know that when my child arrives at school she is "confined" there until school is dismissed at the end of the day. I am absolutely opposed to an open campus at her school that might encourage illicit off campus activities and behaviors. I depend on my child's high school to vouch for her whereabouts during school hours and, in fact, would go ballistic if they knowingly allowed her to leave the campus during school hours.

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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2002, 11:27:17 PM »
Never said you'd HAVE to sign the waiver :)  

For those parents who can trust their sons/daughters simply leaving for lunch to eat at Taco Bell or Burger King, or EVEN at their own home, then they would assume responsibility as they would outside of school.  If they'd like their kids to stay there, then fine thats the parents' decision.  

But even now with the prison status of schools in my town, students still leave and return at their leisure.  I sure wouldn't want to see law enforcement keeping MY kids at a public school... I'd give them a little more credit than that.  Looking at it that way, maybe you could say the lack of trust is a failure at parenthood?  :p
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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2002, 11:33:44 PM »
We are talking about an 18 year old here  He's legally an adult for crying out loud, not a child.

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« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2002, 12:12:17 AM »
Yes Elf,they should keep tabs...But pissing should not equal freedom.
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« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2002, 01:24:23 AM »
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Yes Elf,they should keep tabs...But pissing should not equal freedom.

Look, are we going to tell this kid what IS or what SHOULD BE? Sorry but in the real world you generally have to piss before you can get a job. Boo-hoo-hoo about it all you want, scream out to Heaven above that it's not fair and I'll agree with ya. But the bottom line is that most companies won't waste their time hiring druggies and so far the Courts have upheld the rights of perspective employers to require drug testing for perspective employees. That is reality. If texace is offered privelages above and beyond the normal standards customary in his school provided he is willing to take a drug test and he refuses than that is his choice. Like I said I admire a young man with principles.

However, what's his attitude going to be after he's spent four years in college and the only thing that stands between himself and a cush lifetime job with IBM, HP, Microsoft or whatever is taking a pre employment physical, which may include drug testing? What are his principles worth then? What if he majors in criminal justice and has to be drug tested as a condition of employment? Is that a violation of his rights or is the police agency that might hire him protecting itself from liability should he flip out and kill a few innocent bystanders?

Principles are great but we only discover how really important our principles are when it starts costing us something. Texace is sacrificing his off-campus lunch privelege because of his principles and I think that's great. I just wonder what he'll decide in a few years when the stakes are higher than the ability to leave campus and scarf out on Grilled Stuffed Burritos at Taco Bell.

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« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2002, 01:41:57 AM »
What's bothering with the system, is that it's only there to discriminate, it's not there to help.

No one will 'quit', so that they have their PRO card.
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« Reply #51 on: August 28, 2002, 06:41:07 AM »
Why not just take the test. I've taken a few in my life, no big toejam. You go to a public health center give them your name and pee in a cup. Smile and give it to the nurse.

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« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2002, 06:46:43 AM »
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Now now...let's not get hostile. I know what the perks are...I jsut refuse to have the school take a drug test, where if they mess it up or if I do something, then I get expelled. There's too much riding on the magical piss cup that niether me or my parents will allow me to take it. Trust me...I would gladly get one and just tell em to shreck it...but I can't.

Thing is...they won't let me get a drug test in a controlled environment with the proper equipment. The school does it's PRO Card testing at the school...and God knows what they do to get the results.

While this was a whine about personal things...it was also a way to show people other than the students how dumb some people can be. Dispite all the complaints about them...the PRO Card will never go away. The fact I was complaining about was that even with everything...I can't leave without that damn sticker.

Yeah...I seem selfish, I know...but it makes me mad when we are bound to the school because of something trivial. Yeah....I can suck it up...but I will make some noise while doing it.

Back to the bashing of me...;)


Get used to it

Most decent jobs require the drug test & is fully within their right to do so

If you ain't using, stop whining, grow up & pee, get ur card and thumb your nose at the druggies
The test doesn't lie and it doesn't go into some black helicopter big brother database

Stop the martyr act ....

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« Reply #53 on: August 28, 2002, 07:54:05 AM »
They can't coerce you into peeing into a cup yet. So they're doing the next best thing, taking away your liberties untill you do . I know what I would do . If you do pee in the cup you're sending a message that what the school is doing is acceptable in america, it is not . It is a public school right ?

Anybody got that Heston speech on civil disobedience handy ?

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« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2002, 08:10:58 AM »
You're 18 so you don't need parental consent to leave school grounds . They can legally penalize you academically for missing class, that's truency . But penalizing an adult for going where you want when class is out is awfully close to false imprisonment .

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« Reply #55 on: August 28, 2002, 09:13:59 AM »
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Suggest to all your pothead/druggie  friends to goto your local GNC (or most health stores) pick up a nice bottle of "Ready clean" and let all the high ons get PRO cards too....


You do realize that stuff will kill your kidneys, right?

But, hey, that's ok because chicks dig 4 inch scars on 45-year old dudes' love handles.

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« Reply #56 on: August 28, 2002, 09:18:31 AM »
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Now now...let's not get hostile. I know what the perks are...I jsut refuse to have the school take a drug test, where if they mess it up or if I do something, then I get expelled. There's too much riding on the magical piss cup that niether me or my parents will allow me to take it. Trust me...I would gladly get one and just tell em to shreck it...but I can't.

Thing is...they won't let me get a drug test in a controlled environment with the proper equipment. The school does it's PRO Card testing at the school...and God knows what they do to get the results.


Take the test.  If it comes back bogus and causes problems, sue them on the grounds you laid out above - uncontrolled environment, contaminated testing, improper technicians, and so on.  Might earn some quick cash from a school board looking to avoid a scandal.

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« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2002, 09:26:37 AM »
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hmmm

you ain't taking English by chance are ya?

Save your money, it ain't working.

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Lol...I think he missed my point.

In Gattica they all had to take piss tests.  The main charcater had an ingenious little system to allow him to use someone else's pee.  

Not taking this test out of moral outrage is silly...I think he doesn't want to take the test because he knows the results won't be favourable.
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« Reply #58 on: August 28, 2002, 09:29:10 AM »
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Not taking this test out of moral outrage is silly...I think he doesn't want to take the test because he knows the results won't be favourable.


No Curval, I was morally outraged about these tests back when I smoked pot too.




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« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2002, 09:39:50 AM »
Join some whacko religion where its forbidden to share body fluids with anyone other than a lifetime partner. Must be one with that in it somewhere.  Hit them with Religious grounds and see how far they push it.

Or, Pee both on the inside and the outside of the cup. Then hand it to them. Do that everytime and they will love you.

Or, just pee in the damn cup.

You wont win anything in the end either way.. Not over such a pathetic issue as body waste. Your gonna end up doing it in outside employment anyway when the big bucks count.

There is nothing more whiney than Students proclaiming their civil rights.  Noone other than students care. Thats a hard thing to swallow.  When you get into the big world, you find swallowing gets you places. (Ask any Lawyer) LOL. Its better to learn now. :)