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Offline DSDUDE

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I have this exact same problem!
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2002, 02:06:52 AM »
I just upgraded to a new system:

MSI KT3 ULTRA2 MS-6380-050 VIA KT333 CHIPSET AMD SOCKET A 3DIMM/1AGP/5PCI/1CNR ATX MOTHERBOARD

AMD ATHLON XP PROCESSOR 2000+ WITH QUANTISPEED ARCHITECTURE (1666MHz) OEM

512MB DDR 333MHz MAJOR CHIPSET 64x64 PC2700 5NS 184PIN DIMM 2.5V DDRAM

with my old GeForce 2 Pro and Sound Blaster Audigy cards.

Aces High has run fine for several years with no problems, now I got my new super computer and I can't play :(

I have all the latest drivers on a brand new clean install of win2k. Every other game I've tried on this system has worked great.

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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2002, 06:39:12 AM »
The game uses DirectX and you should have vsync enabled.
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2002, 09:27:47 AM »
Thanks for taking the time to pop in here and help folks, Skuzzy. Appreciate it

When you say DirectX, do you mean enable vsych in "Direct3D?"

If that's the case, I find enabling v-sych stutters display online, but not offline.

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DirectX 8.1 (4.08.01.0881)
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2002, 09:58:24 AM »
Clean install of Win2k DirectX and Detonator drivers HATES Aces High.  Tried it on multiple machines with GF cards in the past. Image looks similar to the one in the 1st post.

Solution.

Install the MS service packs for win2K, availible through MS Windows Update.  Worked for me every time.

Win2K is MUCH better than XP but thats just my opinion.

Gatso

(Running Win2K pro SP2 right now for AH)

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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2002, 10:07:17 AM »
Skuzzy, this has cropped up in the past. Might want to add it to the 'list' of known fixable bugs for W2K. SP1 fixed it for me. SP2 fixed it for these two.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61520

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60798

Gatso

And I just checked... SP3 is out too. Going to follow my own advise and install it now :)
« Last Edit: September 20, 2002, 10:17:37 AM by gatso »

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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2002, 11:34:04 AM »
Hrmm, maybe the service pack thing is it. I only had SP1 installed as of my 1st post because Microsoft's update servers were going super-slow and I wanted to play with my new toy :) I'll update tonight and let you guys know if that fixes it.

g00b

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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2002, 01:12:22 PM »
Well, we have been scratching our heads over this one.

We have a good idea what is going on, but it is happening at a much lower level in the graphics.

Basically, it is a frame stomp or buffer overwrite, if you will.  The only way this can happen is if the video card is not telling the video driver or DirectX that the frame buffer is full.
Other things could cause it, but this is the most likely culprit.

The only problem with that theory, is when you turn on V-sync, it should stop the problem, unless the video card and/or driver is ignoring vsync settings.

Hmmm.

Anyone tried changing the AGP bus settings?  In particular, fast-writes.
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2002, 01:37:21 PM »
Hey Skuzzy, give me a list of things to try and in which order and I will try to help you guys figure this out.

Should I go ahead and install the win2k SP3 1st or start playing with bios settings and such?

Thanks for the assistance!

g00b

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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2002, 02:32:37 PM »
Ok, the things that should fix this problem, or at least impact it are:

1)  V-sync:  It should be enabled (NOTE:  If V-Sync is truly enabled it will be improbable that you get frame rates higher than your monitor refresh rate).
2)  Frame Rate Cap:  Check this box if the above does not fix it
3)  Check Fast-Writes in the system BIOS rom.  Toggle it the opposite direction from what it is set to (Enabled/Disabled).
4)  Set your AGP bus speed to a slower value.

Those are things that could effect the frame buffer and how data moves to it.

Now, if you are over-clocking anything, set everything back to normal.  Over-clocking will add problems to doing the above, so you may want to start there first.
If you are using some video tweaker, that likes to stay resident, then disable it as well.

If you have a VIA based motherboard, make sure you have the latest 4-in-1 drivers.

For late generation (GF3 or later) NVidia cards, you should be running 30.82 (30.83??) drivers, as the 40.xx drivers have serveral bugs in them that will create artifacts in the graphics.

Make sure you have the latest BIOS rom for your motherboard.  There are some video issues with some motherboards that do require a BIOS update.

If this does not fix the problem, I would like to know the following:

CPU brand/model:
CPU Speed:
Total RAM:
RAM brand and type:
FSB speed:
Video Card:
Video Card Driver Version:
Video Card BIOS version:
Fast Write State:
Motherboard brand and model:
System BIOS revision:
Sound Card brand and model:
Sound card driver:
Operating System and version (the long number):
Operating System Build Number:
DirectX version (the long number):

If you fill out the above, please be as accurate as possible.
Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2002, 03:21:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Skuzzy

If this does not fix the problem, I would like to know the following:

CPU brand/model:
CPU Speed:
Total RAM:
RAM brand and type:
FSB speed:
Video Card:
Video Card Driver Version:
Video Card BIOS version:
Fast Write State:
Motherboard brand and model:
System BIOS revision:
Sound Card brand and model:
Sound card driver:
Operating System and version (the long number):
Operating System Build Number:
DirectX version (the long number):

If you fill out the above, please be as accurate as possible. [/B]


Opposed to searching , finding, and writing all of this down, I believe Dx will make a report after DxDiag so you can get this information easier, correct?
I don't think it would report Ram brand and type, Fast Write status, and possibly the FSB speed, but it will give you most of the other stuff without much effort. And you do need to report that stuff for correct diagnosis.

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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2002, 05:09:21 PM »
Yes fuzeman.  What we are trying to find is a common denominator, besides the big stuff.  We have NVidia cards in house, but have never been able to duplicate the problem.

I figure there is another factor we are missing.  This data just might give it to us.  I know it is a pain to look up all that, but the more data we have the better our chances are of coming up with a way to duplicate/diagnose the problem.

The fact that is it happening to a handful of people is pretty bizarre in of itself.
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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2002, 05:23:46 PM »
The fact that HiTechCreations actually gives a rats bellybutton about us "handfull of people" is pretty rare. I will gladly supply them with any info they need to remedy this problem. Thanks HTC!

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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2002, 06:55:59 PM »
Rgr, Skuzzy, just trying to let people know there is an easy way to get you all that info, mainly.
My AH experience has been all nVidia, GeF2mx and now GeF4 Ti4200.
Used to see my desktop more with the 2mx than I am with the Ti4200. After putting in the 4 Ti4200 I did get very rare, occasional flashes of triangles, nothing even close to being as bad as the picture. I wonder if mine maybe caused by having the little crt's in my task bar from my dialup connection, but haven't figured out how do remove them. However, that was a few days ago and I can't recall seeing them the last day or three.
[Then again, maybe my head is down in the text buffer repeating over and over 'Check6 is not used to engage' in the training arena.]

fuzeman

Sidenote- CHENAULT and I were talking, I found out who was telling you all those 'lies', and may submit a few suggestions. Would the best avenue be an e-mail or in 'Help and Training' area?
Far too many, if not most, people on this Board post just to say something opposed to posting when they have something to say.

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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2002, 07:44:07 PM »
Ding Ding! SP3 for win2k seems to have cured it! whaddya know?

Thanks!

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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2002, 10:02:30 PM »
Same here!

Clean install of 2K Pro, SP 3, 30.82 nVidea drivers, Via 14.43 MB drivers.

System info:

Abit KT7A-Raid MB
Athlon 1700+
Hercules GeForce 2 GTS Pro/ 64 MEG Vid card
512 MEGS Kingmax PC-150 RAM
SB Live 5.1 Platnium
DX 8.1B

If ya need more info, I'll happily supply it!

Thanks for the Service Pack hint Skuzzy, and SALUTE HTC!

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