Author Topic: "Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding or will it be irrelevant?"  (Read 572 times)

Offline funkedup

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I got my money on the latter.

Offline Curval

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Me too.

Reminds me of another organisation which had a similar mandate to the UN's..the League of Nations.
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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It is allready irrelevant. I see the UN as vast charity and gossip organization. All the hard work must be done by Americans.

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All the hard work must be done by Americans.

And the Brits.
I hope I'm proven wrong.

Offline midnight Target

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Hardly the "do-nothings" you think they are.


http://www.clw.org/pub/clw/un/whyunmat.html

Establishing Peace & Promoting Democracy

Ending Conflicts. The U.N. has negotiated 172 peaceful settlements, helping bring about an end to the Iran-Iraq war, the civil war in El Salvador, and withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.

Peacekeeping. In El Salvador, Cambodia, Macedonia, Mozambique, Namibia, Cyprus and Haiti, to name a few, U.N. peace operations have helped uphold ceasefires, conduct free and fair elections, monitor troops withdrawals, deter violence, create free countries, and aid political stability.

Preventing Nuclear Proliferation. The International Atomic Energy Agency has helped minimize the spread of nuclear weapons by inspecting and monitoring nuclear reactors and facilities in 90 countries. The U.N. has also advanced arms control through international agreements such as the Chemical Weapons Convention and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.


Eradicating Disease & Famine

Ending Smallpox & Polio. A 13-year effort by World Health Organization (WHO) succeeded in eradicating smallpox in 1980. WHO also helped wipe out polio from the Western Hemisphere.

Universal Immunizations. In 1974, only five percent of children in developing countries were immunized against polio, tetanus, measles, whooping cough, diphtheria and tuberculosis. By 1995, as a result of the efforts of United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) and the WHO, there was an 80% immunization rate, saving the lives of over 3,000,000 children each year.

Alleviating Chronic Hunger and Rural Poverty. The U.N. has provided famine relief to millions of people. The International Fund for Agricultural Development had developed a system of providing economic credit for poor and marginalized groups, benefiting over 230 million people in nearly 100 developing countries and building longer-term hunger relief.

Protecting People & Resources

Helping Refugees. In 1996, 27 million refugees, mostly women and children, receive food, shelter, medical aid, education and repatriation assistance from the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.

Environment. Through international treaties, the U.N. leads efforts to protect the ozone layer and curb global warming. Forestry action plans help limit deforestation and promote sustainable forestry practices for 90 countries. The U.N. has helped provide safe drinking water for 1.3 billion people in rural areas, and has on-going efforts to help prevent over-fishing and clean up pollution.

Improving Female Literacy. U.N. programs to help promote education and advancement for women helped raise their literacy rate in developing countries from 36% in 1970 to 56% in 1990.

Offline GRUNHERZ

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"and withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan."

LOL I guess the mujahideen and the CIA should be told about this!

Offline midnight Target

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Do you always ignore the facts? Read before you type. They helped negotiate the withdrawal of the troops. :rolleyes:

Offline john9001

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well , if nothing else, the UN is a forum where nations can talk things over.

Offline GRUNHERZ

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So what was the uber UN negotioating team doing for 10 years while the Soviets were killing over a million Afghans?

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So what was the uber UN negotioating team doing for 10 years while the Soviets were killing over a million Afghans?


I'm seeing you as a "glass half empty" kind of guy.

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"Ending Conflicts"

They didnt end toejam in Afghanistan. Maybe they helped marshall the Soviet road traffic out of the country.  I can just see some UN bluehat with a whistle and lighted batton at a Kabul road crossing...  This way, this way. Oh no stop. Come on now. Now its your turn.

You cant seriously be saying the UN had any impact on making the soviets leave Afghanistan and stop their invasion?

Offline Kieran

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If the UN brokered a deal where the Russians could safely exit Afghanistan, it might have made them more inclined to do so, rather than fight to the death.

I don't know the particulars, but I can see this as a possibility.

Offline GRUNHERZ

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Sure thats possible, but what about the 10 years of carnage before. Where was the UN then. I'm sure their cherished resolutions won dozens of battles against the soviet invaders.


The UN is a joke. It has absolutely no power over the permenant 5, and has no power against weaker countries if they have a buddy among the 5 or if the USA doesnt want to get involved. The Korean war UN action only happened because the Soviet representative boycotted the meeting, imagine if he had been there and vetoed.  The UN is simply too big and indecisive to be really useful in any  crisis. So the US has to lead them. In other words the UN is place holder until the US decides to get involved.

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Do you always ignore the facts? Read before you type. They helped negotiate the withdrawal of the troops. :rolleyes:


MT, quit confusing the issue with facts! :mad: They have no place on this board so do us all a favour and delete them.

GRUNHURTZ let me spell it out to you, so that hopefully you can understand why your arguement is incorrect.

-The orginal arguement of this thread was about how the UN doesn't do toejam.

-MT posted a list of lots of stuff that the UN does to help the people of the world as whole.

-You started a arguement about one aspect of the UN's history.

The basis of your arguement releys wholely on a incomplete, and out of context quote of MT's post.

You posted this:

""and withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan."

LOL I guess the mujahideen and the CIA shou"ld be told about this!"

The assumption based on your misquote is that MT is implying that UN is claiming full responsiblity for the windrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.

But the full quote is as follows:

"The U.N. has negotiated 172 peaceful settlements, helping bring about an end to the Iran-Iraq war, the civil war in El Salvador, and withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan."

Note the word "helping" in this sentance.  This implies that the  UN helped bring about the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.

MT, it would help if in the future you provided references for your statements.

GRUN, it would help if you took a course in logical and critical thinking.

Here is link to a site provide by Toad, which can help get you started.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/index.html#index

Edit: Out of curiosity, how do repond to ALL the other good works the UN has performed that MT has posted about?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2002, 06:37:46 PM by Thrawn »

Offline GRUNHERZ

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I have taken a logic class and found it all BS, even looked at all those fallacies pages and others. Simply because its very easy to support any positiojn with pure logic and argument. Thats exactly what these leftist college professors do so well. But it ignores the basic truth of things.


Sure I account for all the "humanituarian" good the UN des by acknowledging  its simply an overgrown charitable organization.  It should restric itself to that and leave the real work and decisionmaking to America and her government.  You certainly cant call Koffe Annan a leader, can you?
« Last Edit: September 12, 2002, 06:41:58 PM by GRUNHERZ »