The chaos and cluster%^&* known as the TA

[fuzeman]

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[Soulyss]

Best bet would be to film your flights in the TA, and if you see offending behavior send the film to HTC.  In the past disciplinary action has been taken.   Might not have the immediate satsifaction of solving the problem, but I know they don't just sit around and twiddle their thumbs when evidence of wrongdoing is presented.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by Soulyss
Best bet would be to film your flights in the TA, and if you see offending behavior send the film to HTC.  In the past disciplinary action has been taken.   Might not have the immediate satsifaction of solving the problem, but I know they don't just sit around and twiddle their thumbs when evidence of wrongdoing is presented.

Yea but this doesnt help the new players who go there expecting some environment to learn in, and end up being vulched repeatedly, and then doing the same themselves.  I can't see the training arena's rules ever being totally followed, maybe it would be better to rename it to try and stop newbies from getting thier first game experience there.

[hardcase]

Suprised to hear that. Pyro was the first head trainer for warbirds and things were very well run during my stay as a trainer.  Give em time. They will get a training cadre together.

flat rate does that the incentive out. Flying for free in WB when it was $2/hour was quite a priveledge.

hardcase

[AKDejaVu]

Not the same hardcase.  There's a free two week trial and measly $14.95 price tag on this one.  It does make things different... especially in the TA.

[Lizard3]

I understand your frustration as I visited said TA just a few days ago. Bad things happend, but as it was during the week I guess the kids hadn't shown up in force. I saw a number of violations, but it wasn't rampant. Of course, I did get told to go F myself once for trying to explain the rules...

Yep, the TA needs a little Gestapo action. Maybe alittle time limit on how long you can be a member and still go in. Unless of course your an approved Trainer, with a badge and billy stick to back it up.

If you put a time limit on it, I'm sure the tards would migrate to the DA where who knows, maybe they'll learn a little humility.

Hell, I'd even step up for that, say 2-3 hours a week, but only if I had the billy stick. Otherwise it'd just be a journey in frustration.

[J_A_B]

The reason you get the FFA furballers in the TA is there's nowhere else in AH for them go to and re-create that sort of fighting.   Even in the DA you have to deal with airfields that are over 20 miles apart.

Where else in AH can you fly/fight, get shot down, and be back in the action inside 1 minute?  Nowhere (except maybe HtH)!

Treating them like scum and booting them out probably isn't the answer; the TA has its own little community and they pay money too (I doubt HTC wants to lose business so a solution which keeps them in the game is desirable), and the MA/CT just doesnt; suit their tastes.

J_A_B

[bounder]

Fuze, i sympathise with you man. evrytime i go into TA to try and improve my JABO, learn to fly 152 etc, you are always there trying to bring a little order to the chaos, and yes, you end up taking a lot of verbal flak for your trouble.

As far as lizards idea goes:"Maybe alittle time limit on how long you can be a member and still go in" I cant agree with that. I use the TA a lot, both for 1v1 dogfighting (the reduced lethality requires better gunnery) and bombing nme bases without the added problem of NME planes (but with hostile flak).

IMO HTC should give Fuzeman some privs, since he's the one doing a lot of their work. The TA needs policemen with teeth, not whistles.

Maybe more structured training would be helpful. The training system is compromised by the very short text buffer, which makes it very difficult to communicate with new players and give them instructions.

More players need to read the manual too!

Fuzeman, for your efforts

[Turbot]

just turn on kill shooter

[Zipper9]

Gents,

I am a new AH player and i did my first online flight yesterday in the TA. I did actually shoot at people in the beginning before i realized the rules.

Someone, Candelere (or something similar) offered us to goto A18 for practice which i accepted. I learned A LOT from this practice and the help i received was very good as well. I am used to fly in another sim so i still have problems with especially the commands.

The issue is think is that people really want to shoot at each other and maybe there should be a TA duel arena available where we the new ones can shoot.

Cheers

Zipper9

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Turbot
just turn on kill shooter

That won't work because many squads practice ACM in the TA, meaning that they would have to log on in different countries, complicating communication (vox) tremendously.

I think that certain designated trainers should have the authority to boot unruly players on the spot for 15 minutes, or more as required.

The AH community can police itself, but only if it has the power to do so.

My regards,

Widewing

[humble]

I was part of the initial group of trainers and it's a problem that has existed since it's inception. Initially the issue seems to have revolved around the need for a Free for ALL (FFA). Personally I think having an FFA area in the TA is actually essential. almost all of the sticks who populated the TA back then were/are outstanding (DMF Nath, Cit, Nash avi8tr to mention a few). Most of them were a great help (at least with me) in the training process. From time to time the baby seal hunts were overdone but realistically that gets old for the better sticks fast. Most of the damage was "newbie to newbie"....unless the FFA was operating at the spawn base. Then once you got up off the runway you tended to be in play. Somewhere there are a bunch of old threads on this whole topic.

To solve the issue you need to authorize someone to boot TOS violators...my concern was/is eliminating the folks who can be the most help....the FFA "enthusiasts". After all the baby seals need to learn to bite somewhere:).

[AcId]

As far as vox is concerned shouldnt they just be able to tune to 200+ for cross country coms in the event killshooter was enabled?

[sourkraut]

I have to say that, with the exception of a couple folks, the TA has been pretty well behaved, lately. I have been in there almost every Sunday with my bro-in-law for training and we have had little in the way of problems.

Of course, the first thing that I do is shoot down all the field guns at A1.

Another option is to just move from A1.  If they follow you and are still a pain then let HTC know.

Sour

[CHENAULT]

LOL....that was me Zipper...
I was actually quite surprised, and somewhat vindicated in my belief, that there is a BUNCH of new folks that actually want and desire to use the TA in the manor to which it is intended...To train and to learn. Zipper...thank you for the accknowledgement. It certainly helps to dull the bitter taste that I get from trying to be the "grownup" in that environment. People like yourself make trying to save this training arena, a worthy endevor. Thanks again, and welcome to Aces High, sir.
CHENAULT
CO 106th Airgroup
 St. Jude...patron saint of TA trainers...be with us.

Originally posted by Zipper9
Gents,

I am a new AH player and i did my first online flight yesterday in the TA. I did actually shoot at people in the beginning before i realized the rules.

Someone, Candelere (or something similar) offered us to goto A18 for practice which i accepted. I learned A LOT from this practice and the help i received was very good as well. I am used to fly in another sim so i still have problems with especially the commands.

The issue is think is that people really want to shoot at each other and maybe there should be a TA duel arena available where we the new ones can shoot.

Cheers

Zipper9