Poor Frame at bomber formations

[WhiteHawk]

It seems everytime I make a highspeed pass at one of the
3 plane buff forms, my frame rate goes form 40-50fps to
10-20 fps.  I can hold frame rate good with at least 20 other
planes in view, except for buff forms???  Even then, after I
pass the form for about 30 seconds after, my frame rate sux.

  What da Hell

I have reduced my res from 1200x1024  
                                       to 1024x780 (or whatever it is)

I can use external view on my own buff forms, and no problem?!?!?

Can this be the NoseArt???
Maybe the hundreds of tracers and the mathmapping that goes
with them??
Any Ideas are helpful

p4 1.7 GHz
intel 845
gforce4 440
512 syncDRAM

Anybody able to help?  or have similar problems?

[Animal]

Is that SDRAM you are using on a P4 system?

[WhiteHawk]

Yes it says SyncDRAM on the box.  Is that bad?

[vorticon]

i have a similar machine only using amd athlon xp and i have no problems. it prolly is the sdram with p4

[bloom25]

SDRAM on a P4 = bad performance.

[icemaw]

Bloom can you help me and storm with a fatal error. Hes trying to get the game running he wants to fly again but gets this error.

P3 750 MHZ, 500 megs memory, 16 meg ATI video, Win98, DirectX 8.0.

Here is the fault message:

ACESHIGH caused an invalid page fault in
module at 0000:8403bf5e.
Registers:
EAX=8403bfd8 CS=0177 EIP=8403bf5e EFLGS=00010a87
EBX=00000081 SS=017f ESP=0163e664 EBP=0163e680
ECX=83f3803c DS=017f ESI=01ba641c FS=21b7
EDX=0000003f ES=017f EDI=01c92580 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
f3 83 1c ff d5 83 99 00 00 a0 3c 80 f3 83 2c 80
Stack dump:
004e1754 8403bf58 01ba641c 01ba641c 0163e868 004f842a 00000000 0163e874
004e05a7 01ba5ec8 004e0b3e 00000001 009a32e3 01c92580 004e0c22 01c90ed0

[bloom25]

That's a strange error ice.  I'd make sure you've got Direct X 8.0 or newer installed (8.1b is the newest, and is available at http://www.microsoft.com/directx ).  I'd also load up the newest ATI drivers for that card you can find.  That error used to show up a long time ago if you were using Roger Wilco as well.

I'm worried this could also be a virus, if you have a scanner you might want to check...

If you can post some more info it might help nail it down.

[icemaw]

Bloom this is storms system. You may not know him he is an original MAW from AW. I will try to get some more info outta him.
Thanks for any help.

 P.S. where ya been bud havent seen you up in months. Dont you ever take a break from real life and fly anymore?

[weazel]

Use notepad to add these lines to the [386inh] section of system.ini and reboot.

He will need to set a fixed size swap file to make the settings work. <1st two lines, xxxxxx = size>

If any problems occur remove them and reboot.

MinPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
MaxPagingFileSize=xxxxxx
DMABufferSize=64
MaxDMAPGAddress=100000
32BitDiskAccess=on
DMABufferSize=64
PageBuffers=32
MinSPs=16
MaxBPs=16384
MinTimeSlice=20
WindowUpdateTime=25
LocalLoadHigh=0

[WhiteHawk]

not a techie..but
What kinda ram should I use with a p4?

[Animal]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
not a techie..but
What kinda ram should I use with a p4?

RDRAM (Rambus) or DDR.
bloom25 or DejaVu might explain all of this better to you than me, since Ive never had or dealt with a Pentium 4.

But its pretty common knowledge among techies that SDRAM kills a P4's performance, thats why it was my first question.

[715]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
not a techie..but What kinda ram should I use with a p4?

Your version of the Intel 845 chipset is apparently the one that only supports SDRAM (there is a version, 845D I think, that supports DDR SDRAM).  To change to the faster DDR or RDRAM requires not just a memory change, but an entire motherboard change.  Not an easy (or cheap) task.

[WhiteHawk]

well that sucks the big one.

[WhiteHawk]

ok..did a bit of research at the intel website, and it seems that
 i have the 845e chipset.  It didnt mention any compataibility
problems with DDR memory, in fact, they apparently run
tests of different memory makers to test performance and
search for problems.
Here is some data for the 845e chipset...

I interpret this to say that DDR 333MHz is tested and
supported up to 256 MB by a number of memory manufacturers.
  I would like to have 512 MB of memory, but I cant find it
 tested in 333MHz,
Anybody know for sure how to read this toejam?
_____ _____ _____ ___ _____ ___________________  
Elpida 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 HM5425401BTT-10_0103*
Elpida 256MB 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 HM5425801BTT-10_0105*
Elpida 256MB 64Mx4 266 2.5-3-3 HM5425401BTT-75B_0208*
Elpida 256MB 64Mx4 266 2.5-3-3 HM5425801BTT-75B_0209*
         
Hynix 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 HY5DU28422AT-L_0105
Hynix 128Mb 32Mx4 266 2-3-3 HY5DU28422AT-K_0203†
Hynix 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 HY5DU28822AT-K_0148†
Hynix 128Mb 8Mx16 266 2-3-3 HY5DU281622AT-K_0148†
Hynix 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 HY5DU56422T-K_0202
Hynix 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 HY5DU56822T-K_0146
         
Infineon 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 HYB25D256400AT-8_0108
Infineon 256Mb 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 HYB25D256800AT-8_0120
Infineon 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 HYB25D256800AT-7_0144
Infineon 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-2-2 HYB25D256400BT-7F_0239
Infineon 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 HYB25D256400AT-7_0149
Infineon 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 HYB25D256169AT-7.5_0235^
Infineon 512Mb 128Mx4 266 2-3-3 HYB25D512400AT-7_0239
Infineon 256Mb 32Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 HYB25D256809AT-6_0235^
         
Micron 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 MT46V32M4TG-75A_0120
Micron 128Mb 16Mx8 200 2-2-2 MT46V16M8TG-8_0120
Micron 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2.5-2-2 MT46V16M8TG-75_0151
Micron 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2.5-3-3 MT46V64M4TG-75_0209**
Micron 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 MT46V32M8TG-75_0213
Micron 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 MT46V16M16TG-75_0212
Micron 128Mb 8Mx16 333 2.5-3-3 MT46V8M16TG-6T_0228«
Micron 128Mb 16Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 MT46V16M8TG-6T_0228
         
Mitsubishi 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 M2S56D30TP-75_0214
         
Mosel Vitelic 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-2-2 V826516K04SATG_0239
         
Nanya 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 NT5DS16M8AT-7K_0145
Nanya 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 NT5DS32M8AT-7K_0203
         
Samsung 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H280438B-TC_106‡
Samsung 128Mb 32Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H280438C-TCA0_0115
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 200 2-2-2 K4H280838B-TCA0_0115
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 200 2-2-2 K4H280838C-TCA0_0115
Samsung 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H560438B-TCA0_0112
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 K4H560838B-TCA0_0112
Samsung 512Mb 128Mx4 200 2-2-2 K4H510438M-TCA0_0211
Samsung 128Mb 32Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H280438D-TCA2_0209
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H280838C-TCA2_0143
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H280838D-TCA2_0208
Samsung 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H560438C-TCA2_0202
Samsung 256Mb 64Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H560438D-TCA2_0212
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H560838B-TCA2_0135
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H560838C-TCA2_0201
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H560838D-TCA2_0212
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 K4H560838B-TCB0_0135
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2-3-3 K4H561638B-TCA2_0135
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 K4H561638B-TCB0_0135
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2-3-3 K4H561638D-TCA2_0212
Samsung 512Mb 128Mx4 266 2-3-3 K4H510438M-TCA2_0212***
Samsung 512Mb 64Mx8 266 2-3-3 K4H510838M-TCA2_0217
Samsung 128Mb 16Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 K4H280838D-TCB3_0232
Samsung 256Mb 32Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 K4H560838D-TCB3_0221
Samsung 256Mb 16Mx16 333 2.5-3-3 K4H561638D-TCB3_0232
         
Toshiba 256Mb 64Mx4 200 2-2-2 TC59WM803BFT-80_0122
Toshiba 256Mb 32Mx8 200 2-2-2 TC59WM807BFT-80_0122
Toshiba 256Mb 16Mx16 200 2-2-2 TC59WM815BFT-80_0116
Toshiba 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2-2-2 TC59WM807BFT-70_0144
Toshiba 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2-3-3 TC59WM815BFT-75_0144
         
Winbond 256Mb 32Mx8 266 2.5-3-3 W942508AH-75_0145
Winbond 256Mb 16Mx16 266 2.5-3-3 W942516BH-75_0220^
Winbond 256Mb 32Mx8 333 2.5-3-3 W942508BH-6_0221^
* Clamps not supported
† Passed except Burst Length-8
** Passed except IDD2F
« Passed except Slew Rate into VTT R/F Ratio Min (Min Vdd)
‡ Passed except Ci
*** Passed except IDD7
^ Passed except Cmax

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[bloom25]

If you have the 845e chipset, you are using DDR SDRAM.  For reference these are the Intel produced chipsets for the P4:

845 -> PC133 Sdram (poor performance)

845D -> first DDR SDRAM chipset for the P4 (good for the time, but now obsolete)

845E -> similar to 845D, but supports 533 MHz FSB P4s (best current Intel P4 chipset with DDR support)

845G -> same as 845E, but with a low performance integrated graphics core

Other Intel chipsets for P4:

850 -> Rambus PC800 supporting chipset (now obsolete)

850E -> 533 MHz FSB with 32 bit Rambus support (uses expensive memory, but is the highest performance current P4 chipset)

860 -> P4 Xeon chipset, not for desktop computers