Author Topic: SM 79 vs the Cant Z 1007 (Read 6982 times)

brady · « **on:** September 27, 2002, 10:34:49 AM »

Their are realy only two bombers worth serious consideration for Italy, both saw service throught the war with Italy, and with the exception of the BoB both saw service in every theater Italy faught in( I am not 100% shure the SM 79 was in Russia though).
Now If we look at the capabalities of the two we soon see the following, The Cant Z 1007 was:

Faster: Top speed aprox 10 to 30 mph faster than the SM 79(depending on model)

Climb Rate: Cant Z 1007 climber initialy aprox 500 ft per minute faster than the SM 79.

Z 1007 initial climb rate aprox.1, 550 ft/min.

SM 79 initial climb rate:1,150ft/min(typical)

Range: The Cant Z 1007 had aprox. twice the range as the SM 79. SM 79 aprox 1,243 miles Cant Z 1007 aprox. 3,100 miles.

Defensive Arament:Both had a very simmilar defensive package, two 12.7mm and two 7.7mm guns, the 12.7mm being dorsal and ventral guns and the 7.7mm beams guns. The SM 79 howeaver on some models had a 12.7mm fixed firing ahead.

Bomb load, the Cant Z 1007 could cary a larger bombload.

SM 79 aprox2,640 pounds(later models) or Two 450mm torpedos.

Cant Z 1007 aprox. 4,410 pounds internaly, alternatively two 1,000 pound torpedos and 4 bombs up to 551lb on under wing racks.

So in conclushion the Cant Z 1007 is Faster,Climbs Faster, Has Twice the range, and Twice the Bomb Load and is as well defended, also In torpedo mode it not only has the same torpload but can cary Four 500 pound bombs at the same time.

Cant Z 1007:

Dr Zhivago · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2002, 12:10:12 PM »

How about SM 82 "Canguru" or SM 84 ?

whgates3 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2002, 12:43:31 PM »

what about Fiat Br-20 Cicogna.
it was in Bo'B

Imp · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2002, 03:45:58 PM »

How about the P-108 or something like that?

It was a 4 engine bomber

brady · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2002, 04:41:19 PM »

"SM 82 "Canguru" or SM 84 "

The SM 82 was rarely used as a bomber mostly as a transport.

The SM 84 realy has no preformance advantage over the Cant Z 1007 and suffered from a number of handeling issues and was fairely rare by comparision.

"In 1940, the Regia Aeronautica received a new addition to its bomber force, the SM.84, that was designed to replace the SM.79, but which never succeeded in equaling the performance of its illustrious predecessor. This was principally due to its lack of maneuverability, making it anything but ideal in the role of torpedo-bomber, and due to the general lack of reliability of its Piaggio P.XI engines."*

"Br-20 Cicogna:"

While in it's day this early Italian Buff was a good one, by the time WW2 started it was quiet obseleate, and the Cant Z 1007 is markedly supiour in Virtualy every catagory you would look at comparing the two.

The P 108: Truly a great Bomber, but unfortunatley not representave of what Italy had in the field and an extreamly rare bird, very few were made and their area of operation as limited as their service.

Over all the Cant Z 1007 and the SM 79 saw more service on all fronts and were for various reasions more suxcessfull than their counterparts, this is a stong point for arguing their inclushion they fit into a wider number of CT and special events because of this. Now out of the two the Cant Z 1007 as we see above clearly as the preformance edge, which would even make it usefull in the MA.

* taken from this sight:
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Air3.html

J_A_B · « **Reply #5 on:** September 27, 2002, 06:07:37 PM »

If Brady's info is accurate (no reason to think it isn't), then the SM.79 carries less bombs than some fighters. Not too useful in the MA and worse than the Ju-88 for CT purposes.

I still think a Ju-52 or some sort of Japanese transport (preferably all 3) should be a priority though as either would see more use than another bomber since we have a total of 1 transport in AH right now, but since this thread is about Itialian bobmers I guess I'd vote for the Cant Z 1007

J_A_B

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2002, 06:46:31 PM »

I dont think brady quite gets the point about Italian planes yet. The SM79 is by far the cooler looking plane and must be included.

-tronski- · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2002, 06:56:22 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I dont think brady quite gets the point about Italian planes yet. The SM79 is by far the cooler looking plane and must be included.

Thats the best reason so far...... that, and I dig chicks with humps....

Tronsky

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** September 27, 2002, 06:58:41 PM »

LOL, funy I gues I must be wierd I get good wood when I look at my Cant Z 1007 centerfold, the SM 79 leaves me wanting:)

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 28, 2002, 09:29:08 AM »

Aren't there any usefull italian bombers??

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** September 28, 2002, 10:06:23 AM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Aren't there any usefull italian bombers??

Didn't I say the SM79 looks really cool?

brady · « **Reply #11 on:** September 28, 2002, 10:18:39 AM »

Usefull...Well The Cant Z 1007 caries a bigger bombload than a B 26, and or two Torpedos and two K of bombs sounds prety usefull to me.

Also in any set up for the Ct or special event the availabality of an Italian Bomber would add much, espichaly one whith it's bomb load It caries over twice as much as the curent early war Allied buff the Boston, and has a much better defensive package.

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** September 28, 2002, 11:36:12 AM »

Woops Just fopund out that the Cant Z 1007 did indead fight in the BoB, aslo found out that . Ali d'Italia 18, has come out a great series and if this one is like the rest a very detailed acount of this awsome Italian Buff, Possably holding enough data, and Images for HTC to do us a model of the Cant Z 1007.

frank3 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 28, 2002, 02:03:25 PM »

Are they all Italian planes? they look alike the MC.79

brady · « **Reply #14 on:** September 29, 2002, 09:37:29 AM »

Not realy, other than those that have three engines, and even they are vastly different in their lines.

Cant Z 1007: