Author Topic: Helicopter! (Read 997 times)

Kieran · « **Reply #45 on:** October 12, 2002, 11:27:43 AM »

Fishu-

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. I never intentionally insulted you or anyone in that thread, but did more and more forcefully strive to make the point. Wotan is right, you and HC won't allow anyone here to publicly dislike that game, period. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

As for being game specific and blindly loyal to one game- ? I have supported games such as DoA, Il-2, CFS2, BF1942, etc in my time here. The thing I don't do is compare them to AH, as that is silly. I try to sum up the good and bad on a game within the context of that game only. Bringing AH comparisons into the evaluation is only asking for a "my dad is bigger" argument. I know you can't see that, so I won't bother stressing it again. Further, if you think HC was doing anything other than sticking a rod in the cage and poking the dogs with his posts, you really don't understand english as well as I thought.

One thing I know; once it became very clear how strongly people felt about WWIIOL it was kinda stupid of you guys to keep coming back in here to convince people they are wrong. Whether you are right or wrong doesn't matter a bit- the viewpoint is going to receive a vitriolic response. In that respect your refusal to concede you weren't going to win people over was just as much a part of contributing to the degradation of the thread as anything I ever said.

So, I guess I'll just sit here and wait for your apology for not allowing an AH-centric board to have their opinion on a competitor's game.

Kieran · « **Reply #46 on:** October 12, 2002, 11:35:06 AM »

As for having a problem with people that like WWIIOL, I don't believe that is fair or accurate. Like away. Tell us you like it. Tell us you are having fun. Tell us good things. No prob. DON'T tell us that things we saw happen didn't really happen. DON'T tell us we can't dislike WWIIOL because AH has similar problems.

I am not going to participate in another 500 post thread-

1. It doesn't belong here.
2. Check Six would welcome the traffic.
3. We aren't going to change one another's minds.
4. You aren't going to get an apology from me anyway, so turn that frown upside-down.

I'm out. You wanna keep this going, head to Check Six. Otherwise flame away alone.

Fishu · « **Reply #47 on:** October 12, 2002, 11:35:24 AM »

Kieran,

...since you don't know what I have taken as insult, here goes:

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you and HC won't allow anyone here to publicly dislike that game, period. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

That is an insult.
I have let people state their opinions if it's not unreasonably made or a lie.
There were few lies about the game, which weren't true and I objected to those.
There was valid arguments, which I left uncommented, except in one case, where you, Kieran, made valid point and I even posted I agreed with it.

But when it fights for your good to say "he doesn't let others voice their opinion", I guess it's allowed insult and therefore you see no wrong in it, huh?

Why do I take it as an insult, is because respect of valid arguments is part of my principles.

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1. It doesn't belong here.[/b]

Maybe you're the one who doesn't let others voice their opinion?

Exactly how much do these "belong here":
Red Baron 2 in OpenGL on your nVidia
Anyone Playing Earth and Beyond?
IL2 Friday update
Panzer Elite
BF1942 video w/Eminem music
Short AAR of IL-2 from a "2-week newbie"--Out of the box
IL2 screens
IL2 FB dev. update
WW2OL Revisited
P39N-1 Paint job
Battlefield 1942

well?

Kieran · « **Reply #48 on:** October 12, 2002, 12:22:30 PM »

An unproductive 500+ post thread that devolves into insulting doesn't belong here (eating up company bandwidth). That seemed obvious to me. LePaul extended a welcome to carry the discussion onto a private board. That seemed obvious to me, too.

hardcase · « **Reply #49 on:** October 12, 2002, 01:35:34 PM »

Maybe bushman can make one of his great videos showing the beta using more than a bug. Maybe the new Bofors shooting down some poor flyer. I doubt if the helicopter effect will bother too many ppl in beta. Most won't take off with one engine out. Needs looking at in other twin engine ac. I suspect it will be looked at and fixed before the release.

Now, all you guys join hands and chant the matra..WW2OL is a Turd! Itwon't draw ppl from AH and WB over time. Doo dah..Doo dah.

hardcase

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #50 on:** October 12, 2002, 02:36:09 PM »

Well, it was funny until I started reading the thread... anyone know of a game without bugs?

Creamo · « **Reply #51 on:** October 12, 2002, 05:19:04 PM »

Damn tc, your like a Robin Williams for a backhair removal infomercial.

Still, WWIIOL could draw me in, I'm even more interested than ever. Only because I reloaded WBS3 to give it a unbias shake most of today on my weekend and it was so poor. I'm ready to try the next best thing to consume my $ and time. At least divide it.

Thing is I smashed my WWIIOL CD (didn't save the scan) , but all those CRS guys would have to do is offer a free download to a non-beta game. Is that possible? If it is, hook me up.

All this hooping and laughing over a bug impresses me notta for judging how good a game is about as much as someone posting a AH tank flying, although the 110 film had some creative and great production entertainment qualities.

Gimme a link to get in on a full download, and I'll rack up a month on the Visa. All I have now is a lost scan of a smashed CD, and a bitter taste of a toejam business practice and stealing my $40.

I could give 2 toejams if AH is better, worse, or equal in the entertainment value. I have no loyalties. Matter a fact, if I heard one less scroll in the open AH channel, I'd be thrilled. Thing is, AH is just plain fun every damn time.

The only thing I hate worse than pumping $40 into CRS for their payrole is having to read another one of your posts. But if it's a link to a free DL of WW2OL so I can give it another fair shake, I'll stomach it.

Animal · « **Reply #52 on:** October 12, 2002, 05:43:49 PM »

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Originally posted by hardcase
Maybe bushman can make one of his great videos showing the beta using more than a bug. Maybe the new Bofors shooting down some poor flyer. I doubt if the helicopter effect will bother too many ppl in beta. Most won't take off with one engine out. Needs looking at in other twin engine ac. I suspect it will be looked at and fixed before the release.

Now, all you guys join hands and chant the matra..WW2OL is a Turd! Itwon't draw ppl from AH and WB over time. Doo dah..Doo dah.

hardcase

If its beta why do you have to pay for it?
Can a company charge people while remaining in beta indefinetly as an excuse for poor programing?
Thats unethical.

When AH had the bugs fishu listed, the game was beta, as in, FREE FOR TESTING UNFINISHED PRODUCT.

hardcase · « **Reply #53 on:** October 12, 2002, 06:59:44 PM »

There are two servers running. One is a beta release the other is the pay for play. You must have an account to access the beta host.The beta will become the new P4P when it is deemed ready.

Creamo, you can download 1.65 for free now but can only play offline. If you log in, it updates you to 1.66 the current P4P.Strat First will not let CRS sell CD keys(what is needed to create an account) in the US. They can do so overseas. Email rhodge@playnet.com Maybe the info from your account is still there. Remember, all you need to play for pay and play the beta is the CD key. The CD itself is worthless since it has to patch from version 1.00.

Vulcan · « **Reply #54 on:** October 13, 2002, 04:09:50 PM »

Hard, I had it happen, on the ground, when I was giving WW2OL another crack. It wasn't the beta version, it was the whatever-is-normal version right now.

Basically I throttled up, the plane started to roll then started spinng on the ground (I may have forgotten to lock the tailwheel), it got faster and faster, I switched the engines OFF, it continued to spin and som retardedly high RPM.

The plane wasn't damaged, all I was doing was trying to take off.

Not a biggy, I didn't even bother mentioning it in that update I did.

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Originally posted by hardcase
I'm here. I've watched it several times. Since an engine out doesnt do that when flying, I suspect a ground model problem flowing over into the FM. Yep, it is a bug. Bounce boys, pounce.

Vulcan, both engines don't always crank at the same time. You
Duh, ,didnt read the full post. The ground model needs a bunch of work. I hope it and graphical damage make it soon.

Such rejoicing:D After all it is a beta version.....BTW you might water that "release" grudge, it is getting dusty and you do want to nuture it.

hardcase

hardcase · « **Reply #55 on:** October 13, 2002, 07:10:53 PM »

If there were no damage, the twin engines ac will spin if one prop is not started. The engines do not start at the same time always. Each cranks independently of the other. You have to visually check each engine. They will also be at diff rpm if right at first if they didnt crank at the same time and you give full throttle. CC on locking the tail wheel.The sound can fool you.This will spin you. The ground model is buggy and you can continue to spin with the engines shutting down tho not always.

I have never seen the helo effect in 1.66 and if someone saw it, the fact woulda been all over the forums.

hardcase

Vulcan · « **Reply #56 on:** October 13, 2002, 07:22:21 PM »

OK Hard, one last time:
- started engines
- engines power up
- rolled outta hangar for about 50 metres
- lost control (possible tailwheel overcorrection)
- throttled back
- aircraft starts to spin
- throttles right back
- spins faster
- applied opposite ruder
- still spinning
- turn off engines
- fediddleer just kept going
- escaped out after a min

There was NO damage before or after to the aircraft. I only played 1.66 then gave up on it (remember).

hardcase · « **Reply #57 on:** October 13, 2002, 07:44:13 PM »

Sorry, it just hasnt happened to me for a long while. If it gets away from you on the ground it is in trouble. Ground model is porky. No lock on the tail wheel and it gets goofy

hardcase

Vulcan · « **Reply #58 on:** October 13, 2002, 09:22:26 PM »

Meh didn't really worry me, FM is secondary IMHO to the main part of the game, which is ground combat. In the same way AH GM model is secondary to the FM.

Xjazz · « **Reply #59 on:** October 14, 2002, 12:11:46 AM »

Hi

I didnt post this video link here to point out or underline faults etc of WW2OL. Video was/is just funny (IMHO).

Cool down folks! These are just a GAMES!:rolleyes: