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Rojo

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2001, 09:56:00 AM »
Random, no.  Pilot action and evironment-related, yes.  I would not try to model ammo quality or manufacturing-related reliability, for the same reason we don't model engine breakdowns.  AH assumes perfect quality control, because most of the data available on failures due to poor QC is anecdotal.

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Offline Hooligan

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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2001, 10:17:00 AM »
All equipment has malfunctions.  Adding engine failures, gun jams etc... may or may not detract overall enjoyment of the game but...  Since implementing any sort of malfunction features that produce accurate results (i.e. based on historical data) results will strongly penalize Axis aircraft, and I think it is a very bad idea.

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lazs

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2001, 10:22:00 AM »
I say no.  It would open a real can of worms.  Plus, the german planes have enough problems without modeling the high failure rate of their inferior electricly fired primers.
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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2001, 10:26:00 AM »
Unsere guns arr verre reliable, you pigdog!  

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Offline AKDejaVu

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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2001, 10:30:00 AM »
No.. a definate no.  At least not in the MA.

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Offline Toad

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2001, 10:36:00 AM »
Clear-able jams or unclear-able jams?

In other words, if you jam it in flight are you done shooting until you re-plane?

I'll take unclear-able jams if pilot induced by shooting at over 2.5 G's or so.  

As far as "continuous fire jams" I'd say no, base on anecdotal evidence. My father used to strafe Japanese airfields in a B-25C strafer nose. He says policy was to hold the trigger down all the way across the field. 15-30 seconds of continous fire. Rarely a jam. However, usually warped barrels by the end of the run and rounds "cooking off" after you released the trigger. (Note: the barrels were not necessarily "ruined". Some were replaced after a mission some were OK after they cooled out.
 

Anyway, do it with the unclear-able 2.5G limit.

I want to see how long it takes for the screams to "change it back, change it back!" to start.  
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2001, 10:55:00 AM »
I would like it added to the game so we can try it in H2H see how it works. Definalty not random unless a weapon was notoriosly unreliable. Maybe it is not appropriate for the MA though.
My vote is yes.
 
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »
Verm i do .. if teh cal 50s have a limitation well so be it we're striving for realism arn't we ?

warped barrels and cooking off rounds are bad enough mayhem and that's what i meant ..

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2001, 11:37:00 AM »
 
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gun failing due to burning out barrels etc.. YES

RANDOM failure  -> Hell NO !! (there's enough random conection hickups, mass dumps, lost packets, puter reboots etc.)

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Agree 99%, 1% for low probability random fails.

Abuse of firing should cause a noticeable decrease of guns precission, even more abuse should cause a definitive gun fail.
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2001, 11:45:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Unsere guns arr verre reliable, you pigdog!    

 
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In regards to their 109G6's..."Two others had to leave the fight when their guns malfunctioned..."

From March 2001 'Aviation History' magazine and the story "Lightings vs Messerschmidts over Hungary", and I can quote you hundreds of other stories as well...  



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LJK Raubvogel

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2001, 11:46:00 AM »
Maybe condition related, but definitely not random.

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Offline Mayhem

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2001, 11:54:00 AM »
 
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Mayhem, this thread is intended as a poll. No flowers, no lyrics. Everybody knows the reasons for and against. Please keep it simple. (Ideally yes or no, but some elaboration maybe needed).

Thks,

Pepe

[edit] Ideally, It would serve the purpose of giving a table of #yes (absolutely), #yes (only mismanagement) and #no. Just to know the figures.[/edit]

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to vague then . Absolutely no.

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2001, 12:15:00 PM »
I'm somewhere between a no and a whatever... but definitely no randomness.
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2001, 12:32:00 PM »
Yes - same failure rate for all gun types unless different failure rates are supported by engineering data.
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Nath-BDP

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2001, 12:33:00 PM »
Yes, I like realism.
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