Mandatory drug testing

[AKIron]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
if someone does a good job for you don't screw with them, leave them alone and let them make you money.  who gives a damn what they do with their spare time.

Unless a company has a policy of mandatory random testing like the military then they will probably do just as you suggest. A test may only be invoked when there appears to be a problem?

[capt. apathy]

most companys who have piss tests go with the random or post accident(for the person hurt not for the person causing).  I take 5-10 a year,  1 anual for my union (complete crap my union should be protecting us from this),  1-3 randoms and the rest are pre-employment for companys who don't honor the unions anual.

very few companys test for 'cause' anymore.  most go with randoms, pre-employment and post accident.

I was working a job 4 years ago.  some guy didn't keep track of his tools.  dropped a 4# sledge 45', it hit another guy in the back, as he was bent over working.  the victim got the piss test.  they have nothing to do with safety.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
I was working a job 4 years ago.  some guy didn't keep track of his tools.  dropped a 4# sledge 45', it hit another guy in the back, as he was bent over working.  the victim got the piss test.  they have nothing to do with safety.

Yeah, they do that so they can weasel there way out of paying medical for the person who gets hurt.

If he was on drugs, he doesn't deserve medical... even if some other retard was the one who hurt him.

Drug testing/screening is a joke... I think the military should have it... but I think that's about where it should end.
-SW

[Eagler]

Come out of the fog and see the light!

daily drivers - You are more burnt they you realize

a drug test is no more an infringement on YOUR rights than you working for someone for minimum wage while stating your low pay is violating your rights  .. It's an employers choice to do so and the employee's choice to take it or leave it. where's the violation? Your piss is his piss when he's paying you by the hour - sorry. Your bellybutton is his bellybutton as he is liable for you while your on his clock.

[Kanth]

You take 5-10 a year

1 Union plus 3 randoms. = 4 (out of 5-10 total)

so you have about 1-6 accidents where you are the victim a per year.


Why are your coworkers trying to kill you?

Originally posted by capt. apathy
most companys who have piss tests go with the random or post accident(for the person hurt not for the person causing).  I take 5-10 a year,  1 anual for my union (complete crap my union should be protecting us from this),  1-3 randoms and the rest are pre-employment for companys who don't honor the unions anual.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by funkedup
Yeah who needs that silly right to privacy thingie.

There is no provision in the Constitution for a right to privacy.  That's a concept that keeps changing with the US Supreme Court decisions.  The effects of drug use are a public concern, and therefore not subject to any perceived privacy rights.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by midnight Target



This is the scariest line in American politics. Something Tailgunner Joe would have said. I don't do drugs either Eagler, anymore.

Who is Tailgunner Joe?  McCarthy?

[lazs2]

you guys are justifying...  Do drugs or not... It is illeagal but if you are sneaky enough and dishonest enough then you will probly get away with it.   No big deal but..

Why should an employer have to deal with it when all the studies done show that a drug free work place is safer and more productive.   If you couldn't even quit drugs long enough to find a job and flunk the pre emplyment test then you are beyond stupid.  you are self destructive.  I don't want yu on the job and... if you injure me and are loaded and the employer knew yu failed drug tests previously then I am gonna sue him big time.   As for stupid?  

well.... hard to fire stupid..  thank the unions and liberals..  we are stuck with stupid but we can eliminate "druggie"  which is better than nothing.   You have all the privacy and search and seizure rights there are.... you can refuse a test just like you can refuse a sobriety test on the highway.  If drugs are that important to you then you can just quit and find an "enlightened" workplace where drug us is condoned and even.... encouraged...

certainly there are plenty of big companies out there that have become huge and profitable by allowing/encouraging drug use amongst their employees?   Just go to one of them.   Imagine being able to work around creative, sensitive people who are safe and understand the benifiets of drug use.
lazs

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Lazs, when you can stop insinuating things that I never even hinted at... I think this could be a worthwhile discussion.

But since you insist to ignore what I write and reply to what you have concocted in your own mind... I digress and am done trying to point out that not only do drug tests/screening not do what they were intended to do, but they are simply a last resort shot in the dark for a miserably failing war on drugs.
-SW

[lazs2]

wulfie... it is you who are not sticking to the point.   It is not up to us to decide the value of drug testing except in public safety jobs and I contend that the rate of accidents has gone down in any public saftey job where drug testing takes place.   The DOT program is a huge success.  

you are justifying... and doing it badly.    plus....

private employers should have the right to require drug testing if they want.. they should be able act in any way they see fit on the information obtained from the testing.   If they want to fire your unsafe, non productive butt then that is up to them.   If they thought it was hurting profits to do so then they would not do it.
lazs

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

It is not up to us to decide the value of drug testing except in public safety

Really? Who's it up to?

you are justifying... and doing it badly. plus....

Justifying... what? I dunno where you think I'm justifying anything, where have I said anything about doing drugs or... well anything but the premise for drug tests/screening and their reason for being implemented?

Find that for me, then tell me again I'm justifying something...

private employers should have the right to require drug testing if they want..

Yup... but the current policies are roadkill... and the reasons for their implementation are roadkill. If they change them to truely be for job safety, productivity and reliability, I won't have anything to argue with. But like I've been saying, they only do the above half-assed.

If they want to fire your unsafe, non productive butt then that is up to them.

And how does giving you a pre-screen before you even get the job do that?

It doesn't...

But since you seem to think I am all about them completely getting rid of drug screening, let me refer you to this post earlier in this thread:
Against- until they change their policies in drugs tested for, basis for testing, and who gets tested.

Hmmmm.... there goes your justifying argument.
-SW

[BUG_EAF322]

Because if you smoked a decent joint the night before you are not 100% sober at work the next day

this is the biggest BS i heard yet

actually i joint is worked out in about 2-3 hours
and the next day u are really fresh.

Very ignorant and unrelative to say coz if u get drunk also in that army u workin for. There are bars in the militairy aint it ?

Than ur a man the next day coz u could get out off bed.

Yeah i been in the army I seen people trown up on appel.
They never been accused for bad drinkin behaviour the night before.

very hypocrit to say huh ??




Alcohol is HARDDRUGS mariuhana is SOFTDRUGS  !!!!


U guys got such a big plate on ur head u will never understand

in fact i 100% believe it's not ur self made opinion but something that brain washed along time ago.

[funkedup]

Originally posted by lazs2
Look.... to Hell with your rights..  You don't have the right to work anywhere.. what about the employers  rights?   The guy who is paying you?  He knows that if you do drugs regularly for "recreation" you are on a slippery slope towards becomeing a worthless piece of toejam and a huge headache for him..  Why should he have to suffer for your frailty?

I know people who use illegal drugs and alcohol who are very successful in the workplace.  Yes there are plenty of people whose problems with drugs and alcohol affect their work.  But there are plenty who have no problem at all in the workplace.

For the latter group to get fired because of a positive test, while some crappy, but sober, employee, keeps his job, is not just and not productive.  What employees do on their own time is absolutely none of the employer's business.

And I'm not a "doper".  Real life is much more interesting than drugged life.

[BUG_EAF322]

I do very good at my work even better than some none smokers and non drinkers.

I don't smoke on my work offcourse like drinkin u dont do that on work to.

In fact i'm so good that i'm choosen to setup a new line in the plant i work for.

It's an american company but glad it is in holland.

No i don't walk over water but i work efficient and hard when it has to. What more would my boss wants from me , i'm also never sick and overstressed.

Last time i called myself ill it was 3 years ago.

Hmmm and i smoke 3-4 joints a day.

other facts:

-got my driving licence on 1 joint

-best night shooter in the platoon years ago on 1 joint

-passed my proces technics exam while only learned the day before on many joints and one on the morning of the exam.

-i fly the crap out on AH and can make some good dogfights while stoned

-I never made any accidents while driving stoned and got my licence about 10 years.


If one off the above things went wrong u know all where to point at

that's just silly

[gofaster]

Drugs impair your perception of yourself and your world, so how much credibility can a stoner's viewpoint really have?