Islam Is Peace

[ra]

Boroda,

If they are Wahabi then they are Muslim.  It is wishful thinking to say that 'real' Muslims hate Wahabis.  I'd like to see any Muslim source that denounces Wahabism.

ra

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by 28sweep
Go Ice fish and play Hockey and let the rest of us live in the real world.....you are a complete moron....

No you don't.  You live in a fantasy world where ALL of Islam is seen as a threat.  Even then you don't know who's Islamic and whose not.   Sorry thickie, sorry but you might have to actually think a little, read little, be a bit more informed before forming opinion.

If not jumping to conclusions makes me a moron.  Then so be it.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by ra
If they are Wahabi then they are Muslim.  It is wishful thinking to say that 'real' Muslims hate Wahabis.  I'd like to see any Muslim source that denounces Wahabism.

ra

http://www.islamfortoday.com/60minutes.htm

Vali Nasir: Wahabism tends to produce increasingly that kind of stark view of what is right and what is wrong.

Bradley: Vali Nasir, a Muslim and Professor of Political Science at the University of San Diego, is an expert on Islamic extremist movements.

Nasir: It's more likely to support the kinds of violence that the majority of Muslims don't believe their faith actually supports.

[Udie]

Originally posted by Thrawn

If not jumping to conclusions makes me a moron.  Then so be it.

 no you stupid moron,  you make you a moron.  jeeeeeez

[Ripsnort]

Thrawn, a picture is worth a thousand words...

[Curval]

Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Kill the infidel...err... Muslims! Yeah, kill the infidel Muslims!

Dowding...this is something that truely pisses me off about the radical Musilms and offers some insight into their faith.

We Christians USED to refer to Musilms as HEATHENS back in the middle ages...INFIDELS is what they call us TODAY.  So...change your post to Kill the HEATHEN Musilms and you might spark a better reaction....infidels is their phrasiology.

[Ripsnort]

From Datter:

Islamic interpretations allow for killing of Prisoners.

On the Islamic internet site http://www.qoqaz.com which is hostile towards the Russians, and is probably run by Chechens, there are a number of unsigned articles which deal with Islam’s position towards prisoners. Drawing
upon Islamic religious sources; e.g., the Koran and its interpretations as well as other traditions about the Prophet’s conduct, the articles advocate a position which permits the killing of prisoners if their killing benefits
the Muslims. The following are the main elements in the articles:
“A Guide to the Perplexed about the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners”

In an article titled “A Guide to the Perplexed Regarding the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners,” which appeared in the column “Jihad News from the Land of the Caucasus(1)” the author suggests that the Islamic religious scholars present five different alternatives, drawn from the various interpretations of the Koran:

                            1) A polytheist prisoner must be killed. No amnesty may be granted to him, nor can he be ransomed.
                            2) All infidel polytheists and the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) are to be killed. They may not be
                            granted amnesty, nor can they be ransomed.
                            3) Amnesty and ransom are the only two ways to deal with prisoners.
                            4) Amnesty and ransom are possible only after the killing of a large number of prisoners.
                            5) The Imam, or someone acting on his behalf, can choose between killing, amnesty, ransom or enslaving the
                            prisoner.

Killing a Prisoner for the Sins of Others is Permissible The last position is the one preferred by the author who explained that the Prophet Muhammad had dealt with the prisoners in different ways to maximize the benefits to Muslims.

He gives examples regarding the methods that the Prophet Muhammad had chosen to kill, grant amnesty, or ransom prisoners.

The author finds it necessary to present the subject in reaction to an Islamic criticism “which had torn his heart” about the execution of nine [Russian] prisoners after the Russian Government had refused to surrender “one of Russia’s biggest criminals and crooks.”

According to the author, [the Chechens] have executed the prisoners not because of their heart’s desire, but because they have seen a benefit for the Muslims in such an act.

In reaction to the arguments made by some critics that no one should be punished for the sins of others, the author maintains that Allah permits the killing of a prisoner because he is a prisoner, and all the more so if his killing for the sins of others serves an important Islamic interest, as well as a deterrent (to the enemy). He brings examples from actions of the Prophet. A state of war justifies actions of the sort that could guarantee the security of the soldiers of Islam. Moreover, only with such action is it possible to protect the honor of Muslims.(2)

In an article titled “Are Hostages Prisoners?” the author explains the concept of “hostages” in its modern application to local kidnapped individuals and foreigners who are held as a means of pressure to achieve specific goals. According to him, he who was kidnapped in accordance with Islamic law should be considered a hostage,and hence a prisoner, who should be treated in the manner that would bring benefits to the Muslims.(3)

Endnotes:
(1) In an article titled “Prisoners in Islam” the author indicates that there are five methods that Islam proposes for dealing with prisoners: release without ransom, ransom, killing, enslavement or subjugation to the authority of the Islamic state. The method changes according to circumstances but it has to be one that brings the greatest benefits to Muslims. For example, if amongst the prisoners there is someone who is strong and is likely to tantalize the Muslims and his keeping alive may cause harm to them, his killing will be the preferred method.

If there is someone who is weak but wealthy, ransoming him is the best method. If there is someone who holds a favorable view of Muslims and could help them and their prisoners, amnesty is the best method. If there are those who could render a service, such as women and children, enslavement is the best method.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Udie



 no you stupid moron,  you make you a moron.  jeeeeeez

No moron!  You moron, moron.  Ooga ugh!  

*starts throwing feces at Udie*

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Samm
Yeah but 100% casualties from a drowsy gas ? I don't think so . I think they decided to use GB or something similar and make a speedy decon . Not saying it was a bad decision, in fact it seemed to work very well, lets just hope the rest of the hostages pull through .
 

100%?

Something like 700 lived, with many in hospital..
isn't that more like 15-17% casualty rate?


Boroda,

Do you really believe in that yourself?
I bet those captured terrorists will dissapear somewhere  and after short while nobody remembers to ask about them anymore.
Remember that Putin is ex-KGB agent.
(why else do you think TV companies in russia are suddenly again under goverments observation?)

[ra]

Midnight,

That guy doesn't speak too loudly against Wahabism.  He sounds downright Clintonian in his choice of vague words.  The fact that they had to go to San Diego to find a Muslim to make even a tepid denouncement of extremism shows how tolerant Muslims are of other Muslims' jihads against infidels.  It's like the Muslim spokesmen who say that 'the killing of innocents is prohibited by the Koran', yet you can't pin them down to define who is 'innocent'.  

Not that I think these Chechens were on a jihad, they were just bandits.

ra

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Fishu


(why else do you think TV companies in russia are suddenly again under goverments observation?)

Ahhh, because they see what a joke the USA's media is? How it turns into a freaking circus just for that almightly $$?  Just a wild guess, mind you.

[28sweep]

Thrawn,

Your from a country that's only international crises has been the figure skating scandal in the Olympics.  You inbred-Canuks are not complex enough to understand the world and its complex issues.  I think the cold weather freezes your peanut brains.  Please just concentrate on things that you know: ice fishing, being jealous of Americans oh and my new favorite-exploiting aboriginal people of N. America (ya I heard about your government stealing Indian baby's in Vancouver and torturing them).

[Udie]

Originally posted by Thrawn


No moron!  You moron, moron.  Ooga ugh!  

*starts throwing feces at Udie*

*Udie ducks just as Dowding walks behind him*

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by 28sweep
Thrawn,

Your from a country that's only international crises has been the figure skating scandal in the Olympics.  You inbred-Canuks are not complex enough to understand the world and its complex issues.  

Hey thickie,  guess we are complex enough undstand the difference between an international incident and domestic one.  You see, Chechnya it's a part of Russia.  The chechnyians want to separtate from Russia.  I imagine that is why the Russian authorites refer to the terrorist as "rebels".

Hmm, wonder if Canada has any experience with violent domestic terrorists that are fighting for seperation?  Oh, wait, yes we do.

I think the cold weather freezes your peanut brains. Please just concentrate on things that you know: ice fishing, being jealous of Americans

"ASHINGTON (AP) -- Murder, rape and every other violent criminal act except aggravated assault rose last year, the FBI said Monday in reporting the first year-to-year increase in overall crime in a decade.

The number of murders increased for the second straight year, following several years of decline, according to the FBI, which compiles its annual survey from crimes reported by 17,000 law enforcement agencies nationwide. "

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/10/28/fbi.crime.report.ap/index.html

My jealousy overwhelms me.  It's not really fair though as I'm sure this is Clinton's fault.

ya I heard about your government stealing Indian baby's in Vancouver and torturing them

First I've hear about, got a link for that?

[funkedup]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Geez, where did all the conservatives go?  Looks like your small minded,  bigotted, little hate fest might have been directed at the wrong people!  Gasp, I'm filled with shock.  

Of course when dozens of people on this board bash Catholicism and Christianity repeatedly, you say nothing.  I suppose they are open minded, unprejudiced, and have no hate.  

But when I quote President Bush in an ironic way, here come the Thought Police...