Islam Is Peace

[Sikboy]

As an undergrad I did a paper comparing the 1996 war in Chechnya with the Dargo expidition of 1845. I used to have the paper posted on my webpage, but I haven't moved everything over to my new ISP, so I don't have it up. It's a bit stilted in the HTML format, but it makes reading the end notes a lot easier lol. Anyhow, I' zipped a copy and posted here if anyone is interested.

-Sik

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Sikboy
As an undergrad I did a paper comparing the 1996 war in Chechnya with the Dargo expidition of 1845. I used to have the paper posted on my webpage, but I haven't moved everything over to my new ISP, so I don't have it up. It's a bit stilted in the HTML format, but it makes reading the end notes a lot easier lol. Anyhow, I' zipped a copy and posted here if anyone is interested.

-Sik

Interesting piece.  I saw a lot of similarities with the operations in Afghanistan against the mujahadeen. Seems its a pretty regular thing for the Russian military to get its butt kicked in guerilla wars.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
Curval, I was being ironic - i.e. by lumping together all Muslims into one pigeon-hole, and declaring them enemies of all that is good and true, we risk becoming a westernized mirror image of the extremist Islamic fringe. That's why I used a term commonly coined by the Islamic fundamentalists, 'Infidel'.
Understand?

Understood...and point taken.  You still should have used "heathen" though, to achieve the "proper" effect.

[Pongo]

Why does it always seem to be some "other" kind of muslim that is the perpetrator in these things...
Only an American could think that Thrawn speaks for all Canadians.

[2Slow]

I don't see Western Muslims condeming radical Islamics.  Screw it, kill all the heathens and let God sort them out.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
The Russian-Chechen conflicts

There's two pages, Premodern and Modern. It's oversimplified, of course, but note the "oil connection".  

Toad, you are a champion in finding different so-called "sources" on the internet.

This one is not "oversimplified", I can't even call it "propaganda" of some sort. It's just stupid roadkill. The one who wrote it probably saw 2-3 TV shows and never even read anything on the problem.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ra
Boroda,

If they are Wahabi then they are Muslim.  It is wishful thinking to say that 'real' Muslims hate Wahabis.  I'd like to see any Muslim source that denounces Wahabism.

ra

Probable misunderstanding. They started to practice Wahabism because it meant huge financial and political support from Saudi Arabia.

I bet 99% of them can't read Koran, and more then 50% never saw even a translation.

[mrfish]

thanks toad - that piece clarifies things a bit -

i can't help thinking of the book 1984 where they were broadcasting a message to the people: "we are at war with Eurasia they are our bitter enemy, we hate them" then later "Eurasia is the best friend we have, they are our dearest ally- remeber?" and the crowd is like"oh yeah, they are our pal....i remember now i guess.."

in 1979 the song was "look what that brutal regime iran is doing to their neighbor, peace-loving iraq" now we recall the evil dictator sadam who was a threat to poor iran

and who could forget james bond hanging with those brave moslem freedom fighters in afganistan - ooops better remember that quietly or i'll be dragged off as a 'person of interest'

this whole shuffle is making me dizzy. i'm just having trouble losing my cold war mentality i guess - gotta get used to the new reality.

can you imagine the rhetoric though if russia had gassed people trying to get independence back in the cold war days??? - man we'd have had a field day with it...we'd have painted them with fangs now we're making excuses for them.

[Animal]

Lets not forget Rambo the super patriot fighting among the honorable afghan rebels to liberate Afghanistan from the evil Russians...

wait. Russians are our pals now and we must destroy scummy afghans. gotta keep with the squedule! enemies change so quickly, this world is full of traitors!

[AKIron]

Originally posted by mrfish
and who could forget james bond hanging with those brave moslem freedom fighters in afganistan - ooops better remember that quietly or i'll be dragged off as a 'person of interest'

Are you being sarcastic or just delusional? Maybe you don't have freedom of speech in California like we do in Texas?

[mrfish]

oh we've got freedom of speech here too....i'm just not dumb enough to actually try it.

[funkedup]

OMG like Germany was like our enemy in WW2 and then BLAMMO they were our friend against the communists and like now they don't like us!  I'm so confused.  We must be living in one of those utopian sci-fi novels.

[mrfish]

which germany?

the one occupied by the ussr that was against us or the one occupied by us that was against the ussr?

make a relevant analogy and i'll consider your criticism.

[funkedup]

THERES 2 GERMANIES???????????  OMG *SLAPS FOREHEAD*
*EATS FRISBEE SEPPUKU STYLE*
*DIES*

[mrfish]

we were allied with russia in wwii because of a mutual enemy. the germans on each side after the war were occupied and only did what the man with the gun in his hand that defeated them in battle told them to do.

the chechan's case in 1983 was the same as it is today, yet we have taken two moral positions on them without them doing anything to us. either we were wrong about them then and they are bad people or we are wrong about them now. saying we judged their cause for political convenience isn't a satisfactory answer for me.

doesn't that even cause a tingle of curiosity? or are you happy with it solely because they are moslem and it's all the rage to put anti-moslem slogans just below the 'no-fear' sticker on your ford-tough truck? put down your pitch-fork and torch for a second and think about it.

ps - it's interesting that you find 1984 'utopian', not sure i've heard it called that before.