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Offline Karnak

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Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High
« on: October 30, 2002, 09:56:30 PM »
Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank"


TYPE:
Single engine fighter
CREW:
One
ENGINE:
The following engines were used by the Ki.84-I as availability permitted:
Ha-45-11, rated at 1,800hp for take-off and 1,650hp at 6,560ft.
Ha-45-12, rated at 1,925hp for take-off and 1,670hp at 7,875ft.
Ha-45-21, rated at 1,990hp for take-off and 1,850hp at 5,740ft.
Ha-45-23, rated at 1,900hp for take-off and 1,670hp at 4,725ft.
DIMENTIONS:
Wingspan:
36ft. 10 7/16in.
Length:
3ft. 6 9/16in.
Height:
11ft. 1 žin.
Wing area:
226 sq.ft.
WEIGHT:
Empty weight:
5,864lb.
Loaded weight:
7,955lb.
Maximum weight:
8,576lb.
Wing loading:
35.1lb./sq.ft.
PERFORMANCE: (Using a Ha-45-23, rated at 1,900hp for take-off and 1,670hp at 4,725ft.)
Maximum speed:
392mph at 20,000ft.
Sea level speed:
350-360mph
Initial climb:
3,600ft. per minute
Range:
1,050 miles
ARMAMENT:
Ia:
Wing mounted:
Two 20mm Ho-5 cannon with 150 rounds per gun
Fuselage mounted:
Two 12.7mm Type 1 (Ho-103) machine gun with 350 rounds per gun
Ib:
Wing mounted:
Two 20mm Ho-5 cannon with 150 rounds per gun
Fuselage mounted:
Two 20mm Ho-5 cannon
Ic:
Wing mounted:
Two 30mm Ho-105 cannon
Fuselage mounted:
Two 20mm Ho-5 cannon
EXTERNAL STORES:
Two 250kg bombs, or two 44 gallon drop tanks, or one 44 gallon drop tank to port and one 250kg bomb to starboard
NUMBER BUILT:
3,514


The Ki.84-I was the third most produced fighter used by Japan in WWII.  It was also the most produced aircraft in a year in Japanese history.  It was Japan's best fighter, entering service in April, 1944 and serving through the rest of the war. It was produced in ten times the number of the N1K2-J, and it entered service much earlier.

The Ki.84-I is the last great Main Arena fighter left to be added, the last fighter that will have a significant impact on which aircraft get used and in what numbers.

The best fighters of Germany, Italy, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States have all been added.  It is time for the Ki.84-I to be added to Aces High.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2002, 10:04:22 PM »
Only if it's perked

That thing'll be worse than that damn N1K2-J

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Re: Bring the Ki.84-I Hayate "Frank" to Aces High
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2002, 10:11:45 PM »
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Originally posted by Karnak
The best fighters of Italy,


Uh..... nuh uh!
-SW
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2002, 10:22:07 PM »
a great looking plane too
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2002, 10:22:53 PM »
It has the same engine as the N1K2-J, I wounder If we get it neutered, or if they will do that after we have had it for a while:)

 I would love to see this plane.
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2002, 10:25:56 PM »
Yes, add this one please.  IMO it's the most-needed Japanese fighter, and probably the most-needed fighter, period.


Perked?  No need, unless it flies with US test data  :)

Compared to the N1K2, it's faster, but doesn't climb as well (no "magic chopper" here), doesn't have as much firepower (we'd probably get a Ia variant), and isn't as durable.  Maneuverability by most accounts is a hair worse than the N1K2, by AH standards probably on par with the Spit 9.  

In other words, it'd be a perfect fit for the current MA.


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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2002, 10:28:23 PM »
According to my book the Ki-84-Ib has a pair of Ho-5 20mm cannon replacing the cowl-mounted machine guns.  The -Ic had the wing cannon replaced with Ho-105 30mm cannon.

Sounds to me like a nice addition to the fleet.  We've got the German, Russian, and American monsters well represented.

Speaking of which, the J2M3 could be interesting.

While we're at is let's put in a request for the Ki-43.  The Hyabusa was probably the most important army fighter of the war.  The variant with Ho-5 cannons would fit right in with the rest of the MA  mid-war turnfighters.

...and no commentary on Japansese aircraft would be complete without a plug for the H8K2  :D
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2002, 10:38:37 PM »
The percentage of Ki.84-Is armed with four 20mm canon far exceeded the percentage of La-7s armed with three 20mm cannon, yet we have that option.

Honestly though, if I could pick two gun packages it'd be the two 12.7mm and two 20mm guns as one package and the two 20mm and two 30mm guns as the second package.  That would give the Japanese a needed bomber buster.


While I am happy to see new Japanese aircraft such as the B5N being added (the thing that bothers me is the composition of the oppostion, not the B5N or D3A1 themselves), it would be nice to get a high production, powerful Japanese fighter.


For the time being, I am going to content myself with imagining formations of H8K2s with high cover provided by Ki.84-Is giving back to the American forces what they have given to us with their P-51D and B-17G combination.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2002, 11:09:13 PM by Karnak »
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2002, 11:06:10 PM »
"It has the same engine as the N1K2-J, I wounder If we get it neutered, or if they will do that after we have had it for a while "

Aaah.  I see someone IS paying attention.


  Why do you bother.  We all know that life as we know it, would end if a KI-84, or -100, where to show up in AH.
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2002, 11:13:27 PM »
When it comes, and I have no doubt that it will, I hope we get the one with the 1,990hp Ha-45-21 so as to have a true 400mph fighter for Japan.

Not to mention making life all that much harder for the F4U and P-51 boys.:D
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2002, 11:52:55 PM »
Why Ha-45-23? Ki-84-I changed engine to Ha-45-21.

Ha-45-21 Engine Performance from Instruction Manual
Take off Power: 2000hp/3000rpm (manifold air pressure: +500mmHg)
Normal Power: 1550hp/2780rpm/2500m (manifold air pressure: +200mmHg)
1st Military Power: 1890hp/3000rpm/1800m (manifold air pressure: +350mmHg)
2nd Military Power: 1700hp/3000rpm/6400m (manifold air pressure: +350mmHg)

BTW I-Otsu (I-b) had 150 rounds in each cannon.

Compared to the N1K2, I think it would be faster, and has better acceleration, a little better roll, and excellent rudder moment. I don't think it has worse climb. AH N1K2-J climbs to 5000m in approx 5'50". Ki-84-I could climb to 5000m in 5'54". It's very close.

About maneuverability, though Ki-84 had "Butterfly-Type" Fowler Combat Flap, it had heavy nose especially when fowler flaps are full open. In TnB, it would be disadvantage against N1K2 (btw USA reported Ki-84 out-maneuvered Spitfire).

OK. Anyway, as far as I saw F6F-5 in AH, surely Ki-84 Hayate would be a terrible plane in MA. :)

Bring Ki-84 to Aces High!
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2002, 11:54:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Karnak

Not to mention making life all that much harder for the F4U and P-51 boys.:D


In main, it will make life harder for all the boys ;). But that's another story.

Ki-84 is already late, I wonder how much longer we wait for it.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2002, 11:57:09 PM by Hristo »
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2002, 11:58:13 PM »
I may pay 29.95 dollars for it.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2002, 11:58:32 PM »
Great.
 
 400mph plane that turns tighter than a Spitfire.

 ...

 Can't wait to see it in the MA!
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2002, 12:20:33 AM »
Ahhhhhhhh the Ki84, king of the uber planes!! Turns like a spit and climbs like a V2. The only thing it cant do is dive....... thank God for that;)
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