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Offline eskimo2

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Set-up Idea: Battle of the Turds!
« on: November 03, 2002, 08:15:30 PM »
I love planes.  All planes, even crappy planes.  Since Libya, I have developed a new respect for the 202 and have even been flying it in the MA.  Despite its poor reputation, it’s really a very good performing plane plagued with skimpy guns.  It got me thinking, however, wouldn’t it fun to put all of the planes with bad reputations and little MA use together in one scenario.  What I am proposing is a scenario that includes aircraft that have most of the following characteristics:  Little MA use, poor MA K/D, weak guns/little ammo, slow, & early war.  The planes/GVs that I would suggest are:

Allied:

P-40B
Hurri I
Hurri IID
Spit I
IL-2
F4F-4 (or/and FM-2) (on CVs only)
SBD (on CVs only)
Boston III
C-47

LTV-2 (on fleets only)
M-8
M-3

Axis:

109E
110C
C.202
A6M2 (on CVs only)
D3A1 (on CVs only)
JU-88
C-47

LTV-2 (on fleets only)
M-8
M-3

The map for this set-up should have lots of CVs to promote navel action.

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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2002, 10:30:29 PM »
No FM2s.  They far outclass the A6M2.  As the Midway scenario just demonstrated the F4F-4 outclasses the A6M2.
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2002, 11:36:53 PM »
Well the F4F outclasses the Zeke in a many vs many situation, but that's because in many vs many what matters most is speed, diving ability, firepower and durability and 3 of those are in the Wildcat's favor.

In a 1 vs 1 or few vs few like you typically have in the CT, the Zeke is definately a match for the Wildcat.


Ther FM2 is definately too "uber" for that planeset though.  The 202 may be too since it can easily outrun and outclimb anything the Allies would have although it most definately has been the historical "junk heap" of Aces High in most people's minds.

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2002, 12:48:32 AM »
The 202 has been stigmatised do to the fact that for the longest time it was the only early war ftr we had and in comparision with all the 44 types that prevailed in the MA for so long it was hoplesly out clased. In it's time it was a great plane, and now that HTC is doing more early war stuff we can see that. I watched Moot a squadmate land a 10 kill sortie in a 202 in the MA the other day, all air to air kills, Fing amasing, he has runs in it often, I stared in amasment the other night as he stuck to a George like glue and sent it in...Anything is possable if you put your mind to it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2002, 06:52:06 AM »
Agree no FM-2s.   No way that is a turd, even in a late war planeset.

Interesting idea though.   The experiment only costs a week, and it would finally get a Japanese plane back in the CT (the last 4 settings have excluded Japanese planes; only 2 out of the last 10 setups involved Japanese a/c).

An early war Burma setup features some of the planes you mention (P-40B, Hurri I, Boston III, A6M2, D3A).    And though the Finnish pilots may think the FM-2 is a suitable substitute for the Brewster Buffalo in their "Winter War" terrain, I don't think it would be appropriate here.    Flying against Yak-9s and La-5s is a different situation.

Ki.43 and Ki.21 or G3M would be nice additions to this setup.
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Offline frank3

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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2002, 07:39:58 AM »
the P40 isnt to bad is it?
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2002, 02:55:20 PM »
I have'nt flown either the F4F, or the FM-2 (been out of the loop for almost 3 months).  I see in the MA the FM-2 gets more use and has a much better K/D than the F4F.  Is the FM-2 that much better?  Anyway, we prolly should include just the F4F in this set-up if it is accepted.

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2002, 03:21:33 PM »
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Is the FM-2 that much better?

IMHO... oh yeah.  Close to 1000fpm better climb and the associated acceleration that goes with it.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2002, 03:50:37 PM »
F4F will dominate this setup....

BTW Spit V and Bf109F4 are in this timeframe too. So unless you add those you should drop the F4F as well.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2002, 06:56:21 PM »
Hmmm.
How about a PTO or 19443/44 ETO with the BOB map.
We just did the Korea deal, lets not jump on another fantasy matchup already.:eek:
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2002, 08:33:55 PM »
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F4F will dominate this setup....

BTW Spit V and Bf109F4 are in this timeframe too. So unless you add those you should drop the F4F as well.


GRUNHERZ,

The point of this setup isn't a particular time frame, its about aircraft that suck.

The Spitfire Mk Vb and Bf109F-4 don't suck.  Therefore they don't get included.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2002, 12:21:16 PM »
I think its a great idea.  No fm2 but the rest look great.  202 has such  terrible guns it belongs even though it is a very good turn fighter.  

how bout the ar234 as well?  And toss that ju88 it is a fine bomber in the ct.

Also maybe the yak9t.  


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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2002, 12:36:06 PM »
great idea

the thought of an appropriate skin came to mind :)
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2002, 01:03:03 PM »
I'm not sure the Yak-9T sucks in the way that the rest of these suck.  The 9T is rather fast and nimble 37mm platform.  It may suck as a fighter compared to the 9U, but I think it would probably eat the likes of the Spit I alive.  

Although, my record of predictions on which plane will dominate in any given setup is rather bad.
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2002, 01:07:55 PM »
I am not sure either.  That is why I would like to see it.  I think these turds are not necessarily 'slow and bad' but just have way more personality than an average pilot would want to deal with.  eg the yak 9t
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