Author Topic: Set up for tomorrow, 8 Nov: Burma (Read 1100 times)

Sabre · « **on:** November 08, 2002, 12:08:33 AM »

I got word from Kanttori that the Finland-Russia map will not be ready for this Friday. Therefore, I'm going to run Burma instead. Planeset will be as follows:

Allies:
P-40b, Hurri-I, Boston-III, SBD, C-47, M-8, M-3, M-16, and the LVT(4) to represent a light tank.

IJN:
A6M2, Ki-67, D3A Val, C-47, M-8, M-3, M-16, and the LVT(4) to represent a light tank.

Base capture will be enabled, and downtimes will be 15-min for hangers, 30 for AAA, and 2 hours for all other stuff. The shorter-than-MA rebuild time for AAA is meant to cut down on vulching for vulching's sake, while still providing a decent window for actual base capture attempts. The weak jabo capability of these a/c should keep milkrunning to an acceptable level.

Sabre
CT Staff

J_A_B · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2002, 01:02:27 AM »

How about a P-40E? It was in use in the CBI theater from May '42 onwards and is thus very much a proper choice for this setup. The P-40E has no performance advantage over the "B" above 15000 feet and is in fact only better while using WEP (5 minutes). The P-40B is not an effective fighter against the Ki-67 and is pretty badly outmatched versus the Zero too, and considering there were no Zeros in CBI in this timeframe (it is subbing for the inferior Nate and Oscar) I cannot see any reason to NOT include the P-40E. The P-40E/A6M2 stack up about the same as the P-40B/Ki-43-I do.

I would also suggest getting rid of the Boston in favor of the TBM, whether the Boston was there or not....they have a similar bombload with the TBM being more easily intercepted by the Zero (as an FYI the Boston can outrun and outclimb the P-40B at low levels and it is even a good margin faster than the P-40E on the deck). The TBM could serve as a generic early Allied bomber; its performance is not too dissimilar from that of the B-25C/D.

J_A_B

oboe · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2002, 07:13:50 AM »

If the P-40B cannot find a place in this setting, where can it?

Whose gonna fly the "B" when the "E" is sitting in the hangar next to it?

Jester · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2002, 08:13:34 AM »

Agree, untill they get a full plane set best to use the P-40B to keep it fair.

Also like the idea of useing the TBM instead of the Boston.

Eagler · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2002, 09:27:08 AM »

you forgot the 109

keyapaha · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2002, 12:16:33 PM »

woo hoo "zeke" time, the ki67 is way too much for this set up it can outrun both the hurricane and the p40b.

ergRTC · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2002, 01:00:40 PM »

b is fine. But that ki is gonna hurt!

J_A_B · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2002, 02:09:17 PM »

"Agree, untill they get a full plane set best to use the P-40B to keep it fair. "

So "fair" is giving the Japanese a fighter which is a LOT better than what they had in this time/place, then NOT giving the Allies the a fighter which they were actually using in this time/place in large quantities? The P-40E was the dominant American fighter once we started fighting in earnest (mid '42); the P-40B was on its way out even prior to Pearl Harbor (its obsolence was part of the reason the AVG got it).

You're right, the P-40B wouldn't see much use compared to the P-40E. And why would it? The P-40B has like a 2300 FPM climbrate, guns on par with the C.202, and has nasty handling characteristics to boot (it likes to get into flat spins). The Ki-67 can outrun the P-40B on the deck AND at high altitude...there is only a very small altitude range where the P-40B is actually faster. The A6M2 is so much better than the P-40B it's not funny.

The P-40B is routinely the least-used plane in AH because it is a worthless pile of junk. The P-40E isn't a whole lot better but it'd at least give the Allies something that could (barely) outrun the Ki-67, at least at low altitudes. Furthermore the P-40B wasn't the American's main fighter in the CBI theater anyway so restricting them to it is not historical.

If you're worried about "balance", then perk the P040E at a few points. That's what the perk system is there for! The Axis always seem to get the 262 in late-war setups--perked lowly--and it's a heck of a lot more unbalancing than the P-40 is! Honestly I see no reason to need to perk the P-40E, but even that would be better than not having it at all.

And I still like the idea of giving the Allied side TBM's instead of Bostons

J_A_B

Yeager · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:18:41 PM »

What fighter planes would be excellent for this setup that arent yet in the game?:

Brewster
Ki-43
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Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2002, 04:31:46 PM »

Both the Ki.67 and Boston Mk III are way, way too fast for the fighters listed. Even if the A6M2 catches a Boston Mk II by some fluke. it probably won't have the firepower to shoot it down.

What we need for the early war setups are the B-25B and G4M2 Betty or a Ki.21-IIb.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2002, 05:12:12 PM »

As someone who expects to be flying the A6M-2 because everyone else will be flying P-40s... I'd rather be outnumbered fighting against B's that E's. The A6m-2 is an areosol can just waiting to blow at the first good whack. P-40b sounds like a good advisary, espescially with only 120 effective rounds to take one down with. If the A6M-2 really does eat the p-40b up, then put in the E.

eskimo

ergRTC · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2002, 10:57:25 PM »

I am with ya on this one eskimo. I wanna give that b a try. Lets see what happens. The only real off bit is the diving problem. Oscars (what was in burma) could not dive nearly as well as the zeke. Sure they were slower than the zeke as well, but they really died on the dive, and that was the maneuver that kept the avg alive.

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2002, 12:39:42 AM »

Early Burma had Nates and Claudes fighting the Tigers, then the Oscar later on, since our plane set is prety far off from that on both sides of the fince, this is the "best we can do now type of thig", After flting both side tonight I found that the best bet Air to air for me was the Huricane, I took 25% fuel good for the short range fights I was in and used flaps in combat with the Zero, I easly turned with them and got a few kills, if you are allied and just cant handel not being faster, try the Boston A got a few kills in it Zooming and Booming, all in all great fun tonight TY sabre.

Shane · « **Reply #13 on:** November 09, 2002, 01:47:02 AM »

zeke's are basically eating up the hurris and and p40b silly enuff to get slow... if p40b flies like a "pony" it's fairly untouchable, but the guns aren't made for quick deaths, and a zeke can easily avoid a p40b if not in a furball.

i'd really suggest adding the p40e... the guns would help some - zeke's aren't that paperish. p40b seems to have a pretty weak tail, too.

i'd also suggest increasing radar range, nothing can kill interest faster for "visitors" than a dot-chasing setup.

why is SBD there? a20's there, too... are sbd's an oversight... n/m i see they're listed... but what's the rationale?

J_A_B · « **Reply #14 on:** November 09, 2002, 05:36:18 AM »

Perhaps the SD is representing the A-24, which was the Army version of the SBD.

And of course I think the P-40E is more proper (being the one who first brought it up), but too late now I suppose.

I however will bring this up next time the Axis get some "too good" fighter anyway, even as a perk (like the 262)

I have no preference between Axis or Allied in the CT but I DO care when one side is clearly being jilted for absolutely no good reason (P-40E too good? make it cost a couple perkies like the jet always does).

J_A_B