Author Topic: Religious T-shirts (Read 4090 times)

Kieran · « **Reply #30 on:** November 10, 2002, 04:10:10 PM »

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it's a shame to see the pro-religious side so under-represented since there are a drove of believers out there! i think if your religion is going to survive you should be out there making some strong points. it would probably focus your cause and bring out the smartest people - many of us only seem to get the duds.

Not me. Not this time. We've been down the path before, it'd just be repeating history. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind discussing this at all, but I can't tell anymore whether people really want a discussion, or whether they are waiting for a mole to pop up. I am not doing religion any service to merely stand here and be abused for the entertainment of the board. In the end, I believe you have to pick your moments.

Airhead · « **Reply #31 on:** November 10, 2002, 04:17:10 PM »

mr.fish, what do you expect me to say? I am a Christian because I believe Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I'm not always the best of Christians, but nonetheless my faith is my faith- I believe in God and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Other than that there's nothing I can to say to convince you otherwise because faith comes from the heart, not from a scientific hypophises from Newton or Einstein.

I'm just curious why non-believers are "bugged" by Christians and why self proclaimed Athiests are so willing and eager to debate the existance of God? Really, you can't convince me of the impossibility of God so you must be trying to convince yourself. I'm not "bugged" by athiests at all- if you wear a shirt saying "There Is No God" then whatever, rock on. I am convinced there IS a God. It's a faith thing.

beet1e · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2002, 05:22:56 PM »

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If Jesus is the son of God, how can he also be the son of Joseph? If he really IS the son of God, then that must make God the original sperm donor. So now we know why he has that white beard that hangs down to his lap. When he thinks no-one's looking, he's having a five-knuckle shuffle behind that beard.

-The Irish comedian, Dave Allen - c1990 at one of the London theatres.

Airhead!

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I'm just curious why non-believers are "bugged" by Christians and why self proclaimed Athiests are so willing and eager to debate the existance of God? Really, you can't convince me of the impossibility of God so you must be trying to convince yourself. I'm not "bugged" by athiests at all- if you wear a shirt saying "There Is No God" then whatever, rock on. I am convinced there IS a God. It's a faith thing.

It's not really an issue with me. My mind was made up by age 16. The hard part was telling my preacher father. I got my best friend to do it, coward that I am. There IS a period, following one's decision to become free from religion, that one feels angry at having been led up the garden path in the first place. Just as a firm believer feels the need to convert people, so a newly confirmed atheist sometimes find the need to confront Christians. He feels that he was once conned, and he perceives your actions as tantamount to conning others the way he was once conned. It passes.

Octavius · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:00:11 PM »

hehe you're right fishy, where is everyone?

This may be your favorite topic to discuss, but if anyone or a group of individuals on this board DID present some information to debate, they would be shot down. Christianity has no factual base to proving the existence of a god... it all comes down to faith, and well, I haven't seen any scientific research concerning 'faith.'

Kieran · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:08:09 PM »

Well, Oct, there is exactly why these debates don't work in this environment... you are expecting people to come into your playground, play by your rules, and explain and sell something outside your rules. Is it any surprise what happens?

Look what happened to Joedirt when he announced he would try to live more like a Christian. Many of you (royal you) big, secure atheists beat up on him about it. Totally unnecessary, and indicative of the prevalent attitude of many on this board. Never mind he is 15, pile on.

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:09:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Airhead
I'm just curious why non-believers are "bugged" by Christians

Because the atheists don't go door to door asking you what you believe.

Sandman · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:14:40 PM »

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Originally posted by K98k

Last time Jesus came into this world it was as our saviour, next time He's coming he's here to judge and His decision will be final. no such thing as overtime and there will be no appeals.

How very southern baptist of you to point it out for us... thanks for the fire and brimstone...

Sandman · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:16:18 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
If you found a way to achieve eternal life, wouldn't you want to share it with others?

Maybe a select few.

Petra Verkaik is definitely on the list.

Octavius · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:30:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Well, Oct, there is exactly why these debates don't work in this environment... you are expecting people to come into your playground, play by your rules, and explain and sell something outside your rules. Is it any surprise what happens?

Look what happened to Joedirt when he announced he would try to live more like a Christian. Many of you (royal you) big, secure atheists beat up on him about it. Totally unnecessary, and indicative of the prevalent attitude of many on this board. Never mind he is 15, pile on.

I already see that Kieran. I know it would be very lopsided debate, sorry for not including that in my last post.

When did he announce that? I do not remember bashing anyone (even Joedirt). I remember commenting on his room, but thats all.

And for the record, I am not an athiest and do not claim to be one.

Kieran · « **Reply #39 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:35:17 PM »

Oops, my bad. Sorry for the misread.

Joedirt commented he'd dumped his harddrive because he felt it was wrong to have the illegal songs on the disk. Few of the guys went off a bit and attacked his faith- 'course, he'd better get used to that. I just thought it a little sad is all.

Sandman · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2002, 06:50:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Oops, my bad. Sorry for the misread.

Joedirt commented he'd dumped his harddrive because he felt it was wrong to have the illegal songs on the disk. Few of the guys went off a bit and attacked his faith- 'course, he'd better get used to that. I just thought it a little sad is all.

He dumped his MP3's? Missed that one... saw the post about dumping all of his porn tho.

Kieran · « **Reply #41 on:** November 10, 2002, 07:00:37 PM »

That's right, he'd mentioned dumping the porn, too.

Octavius · « **Reply #42 on:** November 10, 2002, 07:00:46 PM »

Ah, thats right, I read that thread but never contributed.

Hehe, well if he feels it will help him out, then more power to him.

Innominate · « **Reply #43 on:** November 10, 2002, 07:24:07 PM »

In the rough words of George Carlin..

'Though shalt not kill, unless they pray to a different invisible man in the sky.'

texace · « **Reply #44 on:** November 10, 2002, 08:54:26 PM »

Actually, the comment I made on the shirt was "Nice shirt" in a thoughtful and serious answer. It had a pic of a hand with a nail through it with the words "Body piercing saved my life!" emblazoned on it. The first sentence I got from this person (a woman no more than 25 or so) was "Yes it is, and why aren't you wearing one?" I replied rather foolishly "Because I don't feel the need to announce my religion to the world..." She got a little red and began her little sermon, which I walked away from with a curt "I'm not intrerested...I need to get back to work"

I chose my "religion" for my own beliefs. I do not consider myself too young or too dense to make my own decision about religious beliefs. Unlike others, I do not wish to impose my beliefs on anyone, nor do I expect anyone to return the favor. I simply want to live my life and be happy. While that may sound "non-athiest" in the minds of some...it's the way I feel. I do not like nor have I ever liked people trying to tell me who I must worship to be "saved".

My family is totally cool with it, and do not give me hell for it. I simply made the comment on the shirt because I was amused by some of the designs I saw. "Jesus loves you!" or "Fish don't walk and Jesus lives!" are two to name a hundred.