Author Topic: Any chance on gettting a look at last fridays logs? (Read 1112 times)

Wotan · « **on:** November 21, 2002, 08:58:36 PM »

raw or otherwise?

My squad scores tod kills on a kill board and we like to track this stuff...

Here

We like to keep track so if possible can we see the logs?

Sancho · « **Reply #1 on:** November 21, 2002, 09:35:20 PM »

yeah, I gotta keep feeding my database or our scoreboard doesn't change either. Gotta have those stats!!

Nifty · « **Reply #2 on:** November 22, 2002, 09:19:22 AM »

Gremlin will post them as soon as he gets home.

Squire · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2002, 10:36:11 AM »

As do we

Thanks Nifty.

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2002, 08:14:36 PM »

2 hours to frame 2

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 23, 2002, 09:40:47 AM »

Gremlin · « **Reply #6 on:** November 23, 2002, 09:45:50 AM »

Guys,

I thought this week was frame one. Ill do up both sets right now, they'll be up very shortly. Sorry my bad.

Sancho · « **Reply #7 on:** November 23, 2002, 02:13:53 PM »

Psst... Wotan. I are you including virtual deaths in your stats? That does tend to deflate the numbers a bit.

Are you keeping track of the scores manually?

Wotan · « **Reply #8 on:** November 23, 2002, 03:21:43 PM »

Our scores just arent tod scores they include snapshots, squad missions, tods and scenarios.

We had discussed a reset after a death or a point deduction. Something like airframes lost and pilot deaths would had been counted. But these scores are just for squad purposes and are there only to reward participation by our squad in such events.

So deaths play no part in our "score".

Heinkel updates the point board manually based on the logs.

-ammo- · « **Reply #9 on:** November 23, 2002, 04:08:17 PM »

Well that is some system you got there wotan. Sure makes your squad look like a squad full of Adolph Gallands. But hey, the real LW inflated their scores as well so you are right in line:D

Heinkel · « **Reply #10 on:** November 23, 2002, 06:15:22 PM »

IMO it's better that deaths aren't included.

If we did include deaths, then we would fly differently, so that our chances of getting killed are less. Flying differently means BnZ, flying at hi alts only, avoiding combat and so on....basically all the stuff you see in the MA

Without deaths included, there is nothing to worry about (ie your Jg2 score) when you dive down to the deck to save a squadie, or go into a fight outnumbered.

....Just my opinion on why our system is better than the MA system for TOD scores.

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2002, 06:22:00 PM »

pad our score?

We dont need to too. Seems we met a lot of you 56th in frame 1 of tod. 26k to the deck and in the clouds, 3 g10s 1 190d9 vrs 7, d30s

Tell me if any of this is inflated?

Bradys5 in 190d9

22:51:26 Shot Down A P-47D-30 Piloted By Strange. X
22:56:47 Shot Down A P-47D-30 Piloted By ammo. X

Heinkel in 109g10

22:56:06 Shot Down A P-47D-30 Piloted By sancho. X
23:02:26 Shot Down A P-47D-30 Piloted By Nomde. X

Wotan 109g10

22:52:18 Shot Down A P-47D-30 Piloted By Dinger. X
22:56:41 Shot Down A P-47D-30 Piloted By LeftFoot. X

Erlkong 109g10

22:56:41 Helps Wotan Shoot Down LeftFoot

How did you all do? Eng togglers and all....

Our main scores are for public consumption. As a squad we stack up against any other. Our Point Board is just a inter squad thing that have little to do with much of anything except service to the squad during specific events.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2002, 07:23:01 PM »

Wotan!!!

My LW sweared enemi Ace hehehe. I can't wait for the war to be over so I can hang out in a cabaret with you.

Poping up the scores of last Frame when you caught the 56th (I would say half of it, other half was hunting 110s) low just after they engaged FWs doesn't make you look good. Especially G10s vs piggy snow white .

But ... a kill is a kill and I'm happy you guys wacked us. It's good sports, the 56th decimates the JG2, the JG2 ravages the 56th ... it's all in good fun from 2 very good squads.

Don't be offended by Sancho/Ammo, they teasing you, natural reaction from an "enemi brother".

Heinkell,
We see it the OTHER way. For us, not trying to live and succomb
to the tentation to go low get the kill deep into Germany is a MA type of behavior. Trying to live, runing if you have to is our spirit of the TOD and I adventure myself to say "the only spirit of the TOD".
Those raids over Germany are a nightmanre for us. Especially when we have the D30, that means we fight against Ubber stuff like G10s, D9s, 262s, TA152s ... all the German crap that makes a already experienced pilot like JG2 guys a serial killer. Moreover, we have no radar so no way to say :"ok clear to go low and finish the fight". When you try to live and you know that :

- having to bail ends your 5 month streak
- 1 ping at the oil ends your 6 month streak
- 1 lucky ping pilot wound ends your streak

Your balls are sweating and the sight of a LW plane ruins your day, especially when it's up there and you down there... even co alt, the guy can run you down if he wants to.
With this system, in the 56th we had some epic flights and we appreciated every minute of it. Heck a RTB without a kill is worth every dime with flights like yesterday, where we were in sight of a LW plane for 1h40 minutes. What I hate to see and fight is someone who doesn't care about dying in the TOD as we don't play )on the same level, or with the same cards if I may say).

WotanAs far as killboard, well it's just a matter of personal preferences and we cannot compared both our squads, even if it would be interesting due to the nature of our squad love affair

If we apply the same "board" and Heinkel's principles, we all would be ubber aces but we don't see a point to it. Just a difference of choice.

Doing so, being an ace in the 56th, is something rare. You need to have a 5 kill streack in a P47 only.

So far, since the TOD started and 56th was created:

Ammo has 17 kills, dead streak (captured)
Frenchy has 14 kills, live streak
Sancho has 11 kills, dead streak (captured)
Nomde has 5 kills, dead streack (captured)

Nomde just joined the "club" last frame! (woot woot). As you see, being an ACE in the 56th is something our pilots have to sweat for big time ... makes it look more realistic for us.

I'm sure you guys will understand our difference of oppinion, ~~JG2s~~

-ammo- · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2002, 08:21:17 PM »

I knew that was the right button to push

Sancho · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2002, 08:29:45 PM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Poping up the scores of last Frame when you caught the 56th (I would say half of it, other half was hunting 110s) low just after they engaged FWs doesn't make you look good. Especially G10s vs piggy snow white .

yeah, and not mentioning that his squad wasn't the only LW in the area too.

Not to take anything away from your accomplishment, though. I you with all sincerity. We don't win every fight but we definitely learn from the tough fights.

My point was not to dig at you guys (well maybe a *tiny* bit ) but merely satisfy my curiousity about how you guys handle the score page, since I do the same for my squad. Big numbers are definitely possible when you are counting total kills minus any deaths, which is why we have adopted kill streaks as our score method.

Historically, allied scores were lower than the LW, and so ours are on our webpage. When a squaddie of ours gets a 5 kill streak in P-47s in a scenarios flying as 56th FG, that is indeed a rare and distinct accomplishment. I think it's pretty cool anyways.

Frenchy hits the nail on the head though. Different squads have vastly different philosophies. Ours tries (in TOD) to "fly to live" while still being aggressive. Others just want to rack up numbers no matter how many times you die, which IMO is more like the MA. If I'm guilty of anything its that I like TOD to be realistic. I want my enemy to fly like he's afraid of dieing, since I fly the same way. If I didn't care, I'd be flying in the MA instead of TOD.