Author Topic: Games have rules! Imagine if this were tried in Aces High (Read 1896 times)

Toad · « **Reply #60 on:** November 25, 2002, 11:24:56 PM »

Beetle

At this risk of further hijacking this "lost in space" thread, I find your concern for OUR homicide problems touching.

Especially since you apparently have no concern whatsover for the REAL homicide problem in England/UK/Wales... which is, of course, "sharp instruments".

As you mentioned before, even one life is too many right? So where's that attitude when it comes to finely honed Sheffield steel?

You'll prescribe solutions for us quite vociferously and readily but you seem quite oblivious to your own problems.

Easy to critique the neighbors, isn't it? I take it you find it rather tough to tend your own knitting, however.

All of a piece I think. Your prescribing for AH is really of the same cloth as your prescribing for other countries problems.

Interestingly you get the same reaction on both subjects.

Oh, and maybe the absence of a lucid reply to what I said at 11-25-2002 02:03 PM is actually the reply itself?

tomato · « **Reply #61 on:** November 26, 2002, 01:45:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
...the REAL homicide problem in England/UK/Wales... which is, of course, "sharp instruments".

Is this a verifiable fact?

Tomato

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #62 on:** November 26, 2002, 03:09:23 AM »

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Dowd/Swoop
So you're making the case that the split between the colonies and the Crown that led to the American Revolution can be laid at the feet of Parliament rather than G3?

Is that your point?

I thought my point was obvious, but I don't moind reiterating it. The loss of the American colony was due to a King, who reduced the powers of parliament and re-empowered himself in the role of absolute monarch. This was an aberration, undoing the work that had been done in the centuries previous to his ascension, and counter to the reforms in the years following his death. By Queen Victoria's reign, for instance, it was Parliament making the key decisions.

King George III was a nutcase for much of his reign - he's hardly representative of a constitutional monarchy.

beet1e · « **Reply #63 on:** November 26, 2002, 04:13:54 AM »

Mr. Toad -

Where is my prescription for AH gameplay? I've never said that. What I have observed is enmity between people on the same side which seems to exceed that between players of different virtual countries! And that does not seem right. I was saddened by what Furious had said in the "are you deaf" thread (as well as the fact that such an incident had led to that thread in the first place), but did not castigate him and did not post in that thread in order to make people change their ways.

A sharp instrument is not likely to hurt me at a range of 10 yards, and is unlikely to blow a hole in my front door. Besides, many sharp instruments come from Sheffield, where Dowding and swoopy come from, and that's in Yorkshire. And Yorkshiremen are always right.

I don't see doctors prescribing cyanide to deal with Depression, so why should we furnish people with the means to kill eachother.

BTW dowding & swoopy - and bounder & hammy if you're listening - Definition of a Yorkshireman: Someone who can buy something from a Jew and sell it to a Scotsman, and still make a profit. hehe - I think you should be flattered.

Toad · « **Reply #64 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:05:03 AM »

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Originally posted by tomato
Is this a verifiable fact?

Tomato

Well Tomato, the official Home Office reports say:

"In 1997 around 8% of homicides involved firearms and almost one third a sharp weapon."

and

"Method of killing

4.6 Table 4.3 shows that, overall, the most common method of killing in 2000/01 was with a sharp instrument (26 per cent). Nine per cent of homicide victims were shot."

My interpretation of that is that in England and Wales approximately three people are the victims of homicide by "sharp instrument" for each victim of firearm homicide. It has remained at that ratio for quite some time.

So yes, I'd say "sharp instruments" are the biggest problem with respect to homicides for you folks.

However, since I'm not a citizen of your country, it's really none of my business how you folks address or "solve" that problem. I've posted on it here in this BBS to "mirror" the behavior of some other folks that can't seem to tend their own knitting. Perhaps they'll one day see themselves in that mirror.

Toad · « **Reply #65 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:12:12 AM »

Dowding:

Well, have it this way.... you finally came back to our way of thinking.

By your own admission G3 took near absolute power; the colonials simply pointed the way back to the correct relationship for you folks.

You can't deny though that English monarchs had far, far more influence and authority in any pre-Revolution years than the American President ever had.

But enough of arguing over niggles. On to Beetle's protestations of innocence!

lazs2 · « **Reply #66 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:27:50 AM »

tomato... AH has no leaders and each person flying is an individual with his own goals. The scoring system even rewards ALL types of flying so... while a person may not be helping his "country" he will be helping his personal scor/stats/goal. This is as it is meant to be. If this were an organized game with common goals we would probly not even need things like killshooter.

reward... the reward for "winning the war" is 25 perk points... a reset takes from hours to days and I have actually only been online for 2 or 3 of them.. I can earn 25 perk points flying the way I like in an hour with no problem... I have about 8000 of the (to me) worthless things. The downside to "winning the war" is...those who enjoy air combat will see very little of it if they participate. If they were foirced to participate in winning the war they would log off.

in short... this is a game of individuals with individual personalities and goals. I wouldn't have it any other way... Oh... I don't play card games or team sports.
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #67 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:29:41 AM »

If your royalty are figureheads for the tourists to gawk at then ... and... The U.S. got rid of its royalty 200 odd years ago then yes... you are coming around to our way of thinking in regards to royalty.
lazs

Toad · « **Reply #68 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:31:32 AM »

Beetle, General Discussion is virtually littered with your sermons on how the game should be played and the overall poor quality of the AH community.

Sharp instruments are a threat up close, indeed. In fact the Home Office says they are the ultimate threat in England and Wales, with a ratio of 3 Sharp Instrument Homicides for every Firearms Homicide. It's apparently worse in Scotland.

So it would seem that far more sharp instruments are easily bridging the 10 yard gap over there. Yet you remain unconcerned, unmotivated to act to save these lives. Doesn't fit with your concern over US homicide statistics.

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I don't see doctors prescribing cyanide to deal with Depression, so why should we furnish people with the means to kill each other.

Indeed? Then hadn't you folks best get cracking on registration, licensing, bans and "supervised knife clubs" to get your

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Home Office: most common method of killing

under control?

Let's not have folks furnished with bayonets, kukris, broadswords, chef's knives and paring knives now!

After all, they're far and away the most common method of killing in England and the UK.

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:46:58 AM »

sheesh beetle... I was in london... you can't get 5 feet away from people anywhere. I coulda stabbed dozens... men women and children.

can't we just have some sensible knife restrictions in the uk? do it for the children.... if it save just one life it will be worth it..
lazs

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #70 on:** November 26, 2002, 08:59:31 AM »

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Well, have it this way.... you finally came back to our way of thinking.

More like, Britain moved away from Parliament-over-Monarchy, the American colonies rebelled against the absolute rule of a King in reaction, and Britain moved back to Parliament-over-Monarchy on said King's death.

I think that would be more accurate. Had the King not been a nutcase and had not Napolean decided to conquer mainland Europe, perhaps things would have turned out completely different.

Now you can go back to your silly debate about tools for the propagation of death and cooking utensils.

beet1e · « **Reply #71 on:** November 26, 2002, 09:29:07 AM »

Mr. Toad -

You need to understand the difference between having an idea, and expressing it on the BBS - versus issuing a diktat. I might do the former, but never the latter. I have only rarely even troubled to steer a CV.

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Well Tomato, your own Home Office reports say:

Erm, Mr. Toad - when I learned to fly, the most cherished of Golden Rules I learned was NEVER Assume. I am sure that Tomato will not mind my pointing out that she is not British. Hehe, some people assume they will never be targeted with a computer virus.

Toad · « **Reply #72 on:** November 26, 2002, 09:39:15 AM »

How absolutely WONDERFUL for Tomato! Edited to reflect her good fortune.

Beetle, view your diatribes through any colored glasses you choose; you seem to like rose. The posts remain in General Discussion and stand on their own.

beet1e · « **Reply #73 on:** November 26, 2002, 10:05:40 AM »

Mr. Toad,

I don't have any rose coloured spectacles, so I was wondering if I might borrow yours so that I can reread all your pro-gun threads.

As to the comment regarding nationality, I'll leave that to Tomato to deal with.

Thrawn · « **Reply #74 on:** November 26, 2002, 10:41:22 AM »

Wow beet1e, and you're a racist as well.

Just one question, why do you pretend to be a woman named Tomato?