Author Topic: Indians,Greek/Roman Mythology & Dead Generals (Read 856 times)

28sweep · « **on:** December 06, 2002, 07:17:15 AM »

Has any noticed this?

American Helicopters are named after American Indians:

Chinook
Blackhawk
Apache
Huey ??not sure
Comanche

Exceptions:
Cobra

American Air Defense Systems are named after things in Roman/Greek Mythology:

Nike/Hercules
Chaparral
Ajax
Vulcan
Phalanx
Aegis (the shield of Zeus)

Exceptions:
Hawk
Patriot

American Tanks are named after Dead Generals:
Abrams
Patton
Sherman
Bradley

MrBill · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2002, 07:27:44 AM »

Huey was the most famous chief of the lost, and little known, Californian tribe ... the Wherethefugarewe's.

midnight Target · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2002, 09:16:24 AM »

Chaparral ?

Mythology?

Dune · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2002, 10:22:46 AM »

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Originally posted by MrBill
Huey was the most famous chief of the lost, and little known, Californian tribe ... the Wherethefugarewe's.

The UH1's real name is Iroquois, which I believe is an Indian tribe in New York.

28sweep · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:26:02 AM »

Hey Oedipus,

Your right Bush was a lousy president but not the worst...Reagan was by far the worst ever and we got a Ship named after him. The best president in the modern era is without a doubt- Bill Clinton.....I can't wait for the USS BILL CLINTON.........

miko2d · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:53:22 AM »

I am just trying to imagine the reaction of people who get orders to serve on that ship.

Will they prefer court-marshall? Desert to Canada? Accept commision and "accidentally" sink it at the first opportunity?

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2002, 11:57:15 AM »

Is is true that USS Forrestall was named after that looney who jumped out of the window screaming "Russians are coming!!!"?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:01:33 PM »

I hear the Navy' first arsenal ship, aka cruise missle barge will be named the Clinton.

Boroda · « **Reply #8 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:22:53 PM »

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Originally posted by 28sweep
Hey Oedipus,

Your right Bush was a lousy president but not the worst...Reagan was by far the worst ever and we got a Ship named after him. The best president in the modern era is without a doubt- Bill Clinton.....I can't wait for the USS BILL CLINTON.........

Isn't mr. Reagan still alive?

Another link between US and USSR that had krl Voroshilov, Molotov, Kalinin and Kaganovich?

28sweep · « **Reply #9 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:23:11 PM »

Ya but whats up with the Helicopter thing. Who decided to name all US helicopters after Indians. I guess its only fair...we only killed 100 million of them. Its good to be an Indian now....Casinos and helicopters......

midnight Target · « **Reply #10 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:24:52 PM »

Still waiting to hear how Chaparral fits into the Mythology theme.

28sweep · « **Reply #11 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:26:37 PM »

It dosen't...I made a mistake...first one of my life......

miko2d · « **Reply #12 on:** December 06, 2002, 12:43:27 PM »

Oedipus: ...but yes the :Forrestfire", a capitol warship of the USN, was named after James V. Forrestal who was a prior Secretary of the Navy and Secretary of Defense. It's embarrassing imo.

What's so embarassing? Would it have been embarassing to you that the politician and patriot who served his country succumbed to cancer rather than a mental illness?

So a man commits suicide while confined to a mental hospital. Surely there was a reporter with a tape recorder running when he was jumping out of the 16 story window in 49th(?) to tell us of his last words.

Quite a lot of mentall ilnesses are inherited and show themselves at a mature age - 30-40 or more years - and the onset is quite abrupt in many cases. I have a friend who's father and granfather got affected at the age of 28 and it was quite a trial for him to wait and live past that age - especially fear of conceiving a male child to whom he could pass the condition.

I understand that in soviet culture - after communists exterminated or drove away the cultural elite and corrupted the rest - it was customary to denigrade previous politicians and be ashamed of sick, cripples and invalides, let alone mentally ill. So Boroda's comment is quite in line with his environment - besides Forrestal being one of the most prominent anti-communists - and thus crazy by definition in his book.

But the norms of the western society are a bit different. Obviously there is plenty of the same scum here as everywhere but the decent people have not been eradicated yet, so no surprise they could have named a ship afteh him.

miko

miko2d · « **Reply #13 on:** December 06, 2002, 01:04:42 PM »

Sure - naming for political purposes can be objectionable. Just take "USS Abraham Lincoln" - why don't we have "USS Adolph Hitler" to match it. Sure it's much better to have ships named after birds or flowers.

You may not agree with any one's political views, but being ashamed of the medical conditions...

BTW, about "shining on a staff" - the president kicked him out - Forrestol was quite an opinionated man. Still, the navy though it worthy to name a ship after him. Suicide and whatever. I have wuite a respect for the people of the Navy of that time - unlike the modern one.

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #14 on:** December 06, 2002, 01:15:03 PM »

Miko, I first heard this phrase, "the Russians are coming!" when I was a kid, and my Father told me about Forrestal as a historical anecdote. Later I have read several stories about this, even in the "historical" pro-Wesern books published in last 10 years.

Do you expect me to feel sorry for a defence secretary of an enemy country who signed plans of nuclear attacks against my nation?!

Made a quick search on the web - looks like it's the propaganda "hook" like Rip's "bread lines". But from what I have read in different sources - this anecdote reflects the state of anti-communist paranoia in the US in late-40s and early-50s.

Here are some links I found in Russian speaking Net:

http://www.rg.ru/bussines/econom/117.shtm

(an article from official government newspaper!!! they sound like Limonov's national bolsheviks)

Another one:

http://www.smi.ru/01/04/06/145428.html

Almost any "This day in history" site has something like this:

22.05.1949
Äæåéìñ Âèíñåíò ÔÎÐÐÅÑÒÎË (15.2.1892 - 1949), ïåðâûé ìèíèñòð îáîðîíû ÑØÀ. Âûáðîñèëñÿ èç îêíà ñ êðèêîì «Ðóññêèå èäóò!».

The anecdote looks very popular and can be called a great propaganda work, even in case it's not true.