Originally posted by midnight Target
Which dream world are you in today?
How often do you see whites discriminating against blacks? In my 13 years in NYC I havent' seen one case and I saw a lot of privileges extended for racial reasons.
And I was looking and asking for years. Being raised in single-race society where racist feelings could not possibly exist other than as concept of "evil" practiced somewhere in US, according to our books, I was really interested. What's more - I saw plenty of evidence from blacks that there is no discrimination, otehr than the danger of resentment brought on by preferential treatment. Ward Connerly? Thomas Sowell? Walter Williams? Any number of books by black authors denouncing affirmative action in your nearest book store?
How about places where blacks are overwhelming majority, have black school boards, legislatures and mayor? And plenty of money spent per student in a public school, etc. Like Washington, DC, for example. Who opresses them?
I saw the results of the studies - including those that show that blacks with the same IQ are paid a bit more than whites. That does not indicate a lot of discrimination, does it?
I could try to be personally offencive (like you) and imply that you live in a scary-fantasy world created by socilaists but I would rather argue the issue on a merit of the arguments and data. Care to name real examples of widespread discrimination? I will consider them.
The liberal's position is that blacks are 12% of the population and women 51% - so we should observe the same distribution everywhere. That would be true if the groups were identical in related abilities. If they are not - you pose an unachievable goal.
Yes, the scientists 150 years ago tried to explain an obvious phenomenon with hypothesis that were false - measuring brain volume, etc. Those hypothesis and methods were proven false. That does not mean that the phenomenon does not exosts and that modern methods should not be considered.
Every time a liberal "refutes" the "intelligence hypothesis", he/she refers to 100-year old statements despite plenty of research done quite recently and available in any bookstore. Why is that? Too scared to tackle the real thing?
Yes, slavery had negative effects. How come those effects were mild 40 years after slavery but became terrible 100 years after it ended (compare stats for 1905 and 1985 - marriage, etc)? And that after most of the country switched to pro-equality from segregation?
If the majority of americans support equal rights (after all, the laws were adopted reflecting teh will of the majority), who does all the discrimination?
Colleges fight for a black student who has even a slight chance not to drop out. Big firms look for such graduates regardless of qualifications to make "quotas". Are you saying there is enough hidden discrimination that negates those widespread and visible efforts by the majority?
I am not even talking about the fact that even if the discrimination were present, 30 million blacks could have had mostly self-sufficient communities like many other ethnicities had and still have.
If a guy fails to hire a capable black guy in favor of incapable white or refuses the black customers, than the non-racist business, especially the black business would have built-in advantages of more accessible capable employees and guaranteed loyal customer base - besides the fact that many non-rasist whites would also prefer black-run businesses. So even with real discrimination blacks would actually prosper - like many discriminated minorities did over the centuries in many countries.
Unless you are implying that blacks are not capable of running the business as well as whites do and cannot maintain a civilised society other that as an appendage of a white one. But that would imply an inherent lack of abilities, wouldn't it?
How about lots of blacks, let alone other ethnicities immigrating into our country just to get a chance to be discriminated against?
Anyway, I somehow expect that my post will elicit no more of substantiation than any past discussions did.
For people trying to prove genetic racial equality of intelligence, liberals surely do not try hard...
miko
