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Offline Shane

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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2002, 03:18:02 AM »
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This is a legitimate question. Sometimes you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
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the thing is... film won't show the error msg moderator dialogue box.. screenshots will (if one has presence of mind to do so) - but there's no way to identify the moderator was.  as far as we know there's no set schedule more a lasse faire style of moderators schedules.

as you can see, HTC places a great deal of trust in his moderators and i don't think he'd privately, much less publicly, acknowledge that perhaps a moderator might have overstepped their bounds.  from what i gather, these moderators are hand-picked by HT(C) and being such, they are most likely long-time players with a history of being polite on ch1.

you wanna finish this exercise on your own and see where it leads you? this is a totally different way of doing things than what kesmai/EA did....

just sayin'

now, this bears repeating that there is a need and a place for moderators, however....  they're human and susceptible to errors in judgement or demeanor.  the way it *appears* is that while players can get smacked for such lapses, the moderators are above reproach - cloak of secrecy and all; this does nothing but make the moderators a sub-strata of the larger community, a suspicous and mysterious one operating in the dark, as opposed to sunshine where moderators can be both supported by the community as well as leading by overt example.  remaining in the dark, or without at least perhaps a #### to identifiy these people, how can anyone have faith that valid concerns will actually be heard and acted upon?

but... it's all HTC's call. i still see however that there will always be posts like this where someone feels (and quite correctly) that they were either muted or "talked to"  unfairly by a moderator.

simply put there's no mechanism by which the players can develop further faith and trust in these totally  anonymous moderators.

i very rarely even encounter them, yet....
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« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2002, 03:24:03 AM »
I'm going to guess that HiTech chooses his moderators.
Which means if you get a warning it's as good as getting it from HiTech.

 The only thing that would happen if moderators were id's is that they'd get alot of blowback any time they tried to do anything about jerks mouthing off.

(er just read the above post by Shane, basically what he said EXCEPT that I believe that HT can moderate his moderators when they make mistakes which they will, and there is no need for that to be public any more than any of his converstions with his employees needs to be public)


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I think the main problem was that there wasn't any way to know if it was HT giving the warning or just some retarded power-hyped teenager. Different circumstances totally in the two cases.

I think moderators should be ID'd when they moderate.

Just like on irc, operators have a special sign and get id'd when they do something. "luser was killed by operX: stfu"
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« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2002, 03:33:00 AM »
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I'm going to guess that HiTech chooses his moderators.
Which means if you get a warning it's as good as getting it from HiTech.
 The only thing that would happen if moderators were id'd is that they'd get alot of blowback any time they tried to do anything about jerks mouthing off.


yes, but not necessarily. a #### identifer would provide some identification for valid concerns, as well as still protecting anonymity.

*some* concerns *are* valid... turdboy's post for example.

and before you go off on his choice of a BBS name (game name was forced to change - tboy now) and try to use that to invalidate his concern about his encounter with a moderator let me you to our very own culero.

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« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2002, 03:46:04 AM »
True.

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yes, but not necessarily. a #### identifer would provide some identification for valid concerns, as well as still protecting anonymity.
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« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2002, 07:51:41 AM »
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Heck I swore on squad channel and got an auto warning
so what's with that?



Dunno about that one Bounder.  AFAIK there is no filter on squad channel at all.  I know that I type all kinds of words in there that I would never be able to type on channel 1 and have never received any auto-warning or anything.

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« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2002, 08:16:27 AM »
How about on a private message??

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« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2002, 08:36:18 AM »
Yes...private messages are indeed subject to the filter.  But not the squad channel.

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« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2002, 10:59:28 AM »
The other day on squad channel I tried to use the word "squeaking" to describe someone's rant and I got warned so it's definately working on squad channel
at least sometimes.


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Dunno about that one Bounder.  AFAIK there is no filter on squad channel at all.  I know that I type all kinds of words in there that I would never be able to type on channel 1 and have never received any auto-warning or anything.
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« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2002, 12:08:43 PM »
Sling - thx :)

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« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2002, 12:18:18 PM »
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yes, but not necessarily. a #### identifer would provide some identification for valid concerns, as well as still protecting anonymity.


Don't even need a number identifier for the mod.  After awhile the mod's patterns could be tracked.  Just give each mod message a ticket number that HTC could cross reference with a mod, the player and the message itself.

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« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2002, 12:22:20 PM »
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Don't even need a number identifier for the mod.  After awhile the mod's patterns could be tracked.  Just give each mod message a ticket number that HTC could cross reference with a mod, the player and the message itself.


yeah, that'd do it as well.

more  work to compile and track, tho'  meaning logs would have to be created and maintained.
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« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2002, 01:21:16 PM »
You sure you were on Squad channel and not on a Mission channel Kanth.  I type and see a lot worse things on our squad channel than squeaking on a regular basis and have never seen a warning.  Maybe its just part of the AH Gold package that was offered to the FDBs a while back.

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« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2002, 02:15:47 PM »
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Any moderator that comes out with that line should be stripped of his mojo powers.  It only enforces the belief that moderators act with bias and favoritism and don't follow the TOS guidelines set down by HiTech.  


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« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2002, 02:50:28 PM »
I know i wasn't on mission channel but you know I could have hit the range channel instead of squad channel...it's always a possibility...however I was talking on squad channel and it was my second sentence to send...

but it's possible that I could have just keyed it wrong while I was making the cursing ;)



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You sure you were on Squad channel and not on a Mission channel Kanth.  I type and see a lot worse things on our squad channel than squeaking on a regular basis and have never seen a warning.  Maybe its just part of the AH Gold package that was offered to the FDBs a while back.

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« Reply #89 on: December 24, 2002, 12:42:31 AM »
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When a monitor warns you he is explaining the rules to you. At that time you can eather addhear to them or get mutted. Its your choice.

And the resone they are not know, is very simply so I can deal with this crap, and not have them arguing with guys like you.

Funny thing is, i've never seen some one say, but that guy got away with it, with out being guilty and knowing they are guilty.

HiTech


umm... Dale.. just a quick question here...

Are there set guide lines for what the mods should or should not ignore, or is it pretty much whatever each mod decides for him/herself?  And I ask because, yes, I've earned myself more than a few mutes.  When I earn one I don't question it, I just shut up for 10 minutes.  It's when I haven't earned one that I question it.  It seems a couple of the mods like to use thier powers to hinder folks they particularly dislike.  There appears to be one or two that has a real dislike for me, not that I care, but muting when it isn't warranted is crossing the line.

Then there's a situation like Turdboy posted... using the box to tell a guy to not give someone a check 6.  Here you have someone who's representing you in the MA telling a new guy that XXXX doesn't deserve 6 calls.  That shows someone's clearly crossing the line and letting personal feelings get in the way of thier 'job'.

While my current leave of absense is precipitated by a hardware problem (sticks died and can't replace'em yet), some folks may have noticed my flight time had been drastically reduced before my controls went tits up.  This was largely because there have been days that I can't say anything on channel 1, not even answering a noob's questions, w/o getting warned or muted.

FWIW, and now I'll return to the peanut gallery.