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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2003, 08:55:33 AM »
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Land of the free? I think it is more like land of the slaves, making government and insurance companies richer by the minute.CB


Agree 100%.

But they have their guns..and that seems to keep them happy and under the impression that they are free.;)  Sometimes "ignorance is bliss".:p
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2003, 09:04:36 AM »
Americans don't need to travel abroad because everyone comes here.  Australia is nothing like the US as far as diversity goes.  They have been careful about keeping unwanted foreigners out, while we let everyone stroll in as they wish.  During the last election cycle, the first question the polling computer asked was 'English or Spanish?'.  If there were fewer foreigners here, maybe travel overseas would seem more worth the high price.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2003, 09:54:29 AM »
Hmm curval... so keeping more of your income and having it buy more is a measure of freedom?   I would say the brits are the slaves then and that Americans are pretty free by comparisson.  

You don't have to have insurance of any kind in America.... even to drive.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2003, 01:05:00 PM »
Actually Beetle is kinda right. It is a big thing for most young Kiwis to aim for. The technical term for it here is the big "OE" (overseas
experience).

Kiwi's usually like the UK coz they can work there, and sort of use it as a base of Ops to hop over to Europe from. Most go over for a couple of years before returning home. Some go over and earn $$$$ and accept the crap lifestyle for the money - saving to return home with. Some go over and earn $$$$ and accept the crap lifestyle for huge nightlife.

Usually Kiwi kids go to University, get their degree, come out and work here for a couple of years saving for their OE then travel for two years then come back.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2003, 02:52:52 PM »
"  Finally, I’ve been a bit hard on the Yanks this past few weeks. My mild banter has got quite a few of them upset. So I’m going to have to wave the white flag as a token of peace. However, a white flag might not show up well if the post ends up on a white background, so I’ll have to wave one with lots of white in it. I found this one, which has 56 separate pieces of white in it."  


  ROFLMAO.  I can't belive they didn't get this one.  I am born in the U.S. and served under the this flag for a very long time.  I found it extreamly funny.  Let's see how many didn't

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2003, 03:32:28 PM »
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Similar in climate – hot, dry summers, deserts, beaches, poisonous snakes....

you read too much and visit too little !!!  ;)

your experiences with Americans are obviously limited as is your stereotyping.  I, being American, have travelled most of my life.. only recently settling down in the best country I've ever been to in my whole life:  America

(wondering what a hot-dry-summer of deserts, beaches and snakes must be like)

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2003, 03:35:27 PM »
I guess, like cabby I don't fit into the mold. I am a decided liberal, and I would much rather see the rest of my own Country than go overseas. I have a whole lot more to see too.

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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2003, 03:35:37 PM »
one more thing...

all the Aussies are HERE !!!
I get tired as hell of them asking how many MOILES are on this vehicle or that!  


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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2003, 05:15:34 PM »
I have to agree with beetle also, the nicest foreigners I met in Europe were Australian :) The train from Paris to Amsterdam was packed, and many people just piled their luggage in the entrance ways blocking one side exit of the two on many of the cars. The call went out to move the luggage. In typical American fashion no one responded (funny given the majority of native Europeans on the train) except my wife and myself (yanks), an older man and an Australian bloke who moved his luggage and then helped us and the gentleman maneuver our luggage into the cramped overhead bins.

Don't get me wrong, England, France and Holland were great at many levels -- from food to culture. But the people (gasp) were not all that different from Americans. Most were friendly, and some were just plain rude. When I returned I wrote up a glowing travel log for the bbs. There were minor "issues," but so what. I have just as many issues (though perhaps of a different specific variety) vacationing at a spot in the US. However, if I wanted to stereotype, then:

-- Brits go to Holland in large groups to get very rowdy in bars and drink lots of beer until they get pissed drunk. American's go to smoke pot and wander around all happy and stuff. [edit: you also don't see too many signs in US establishments saying: not allowed in in large groups or wearing football jerseys.]

-- Service is a problem in London. Where else does a concierge show up for work at 3:00 pm, if they show up that day (fairly expensive hotel). Same hotel had dry rot in the windows, flaking/faded paint, 60's décor, uncomfortable mattresses and stained carpeting. Maybe I'm being an arrogant Yank, but when I pay $200 a night for a room I expect better (except I already knew what to expect). The Americanized hotels seemed much better, but I can only imagine how much they would have cost.
Contact with service personnel was generally somewhat rude, and not because we were ourselves obnoxious or out of some knee jerk reaction to our being Americans. I was having Faulty Towers flashbacks, only without John Cleese. Is it really that hard to find someone who is happy doing their jobs in the service trade?

-- Northern Europeans don't seem to mind cutting in line. They pretend they don't see you somehow, at least two or three individuals did. I hope I'm not generalizing here, but even if it is a common trait it hardly ruined the overall experience. So far, even in America an individual blatently cutting in line is exceedingly rare. Now on the highway...

-- France was fine. Paris was interesting but not as interesting as London with it's depth of history. Gotta watch out for the loads of dog sh#t though in Paris - no pooper-scooper laws there. The language barrier was a problem, but more on my end then their's. I didn't detect any overt rudness. I even got to use a mouldy French phrase or two without getting laughed at. The food was good (best meal I had was in Amsterdam though) and the wine was wasted on my pedestrian palet.

-- The Dutch seem to like Americans better than the French. I actually caught French tourists getting discriminated against.

-- Female beggars (using their childern -- Mercy! Sir, Mercy!) and pickpockets that would put NY or Chicago to shame.

A bunch of other nitpicks. I could also comment on the flood of British tourists in Orlando Fla. when I was there recently at a conference. They were virtually indistinguishable from the American tourists. Hey, black socks and sandals must be universial :)

There are American jerks and European jerks. The teeth jokes, and obnoxious "ours is bigger" types embarrass me as an American on occasion. Even "bomb France" is starting to get old :) But, a lot of Europeans seem to be hung up on their nationalism as well, and some of the American criticism comes off as jealousy from people living in a position of comfort where $$$ and lives are concerned. Nationalism in Europe? WW1, WW2, and a host of previous wars throughout the centuries would seem to indicate that it is not an alien concept. Frankly, I'm amazed the EU is moving along as well as it is.

While our European friends likely have some valid reasons to criticize US foreign policy, you didn't hear much about it when it was our huge chunk of the GDP out there putting armored divisions at the Fulda Gap during the cold war. Or dealing with Korea for 50 odd years (and now Korean nukes). Or the real war on terrorism (as opposed to the Iraq confusion). Or, why wasn't there a European-led solution to the Balkan genocide? Too messy? Too expensive? Too risky? The US acts in it's own interests? Show me a country that doesn't.

Overall, far more similarities than differences. A more materialistic society vs. one with more value placed on personal time. A generally similar level of Western cultural norms. Hard for me to really say one is better than the other, just different with pros and cons for each.

Charon
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2003, 06:26:30 PM »
Well said, Charon.  

Your European travel tips a few months ago were helpful and (in hindsight) accurate, and your conclusions seem to be right on in this post.  At least in line with my experience in the UK and France.  Never made it to Holland, so I can't say anything about that.    

You should be an ambassador or something.  Or maybe just an ambassador on these boards.  :D

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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2003, 07:07:05 PM »
Watch mexico and the carribean dry up if Americans really did stop traveling.
And correct me if im wrong but isnt american airlines the worlds largest air carrier?
and are not most of the travel agencies american companys?
I think we Americans do our fair share of traveling LOL.
As far as other cultures?
Well My thoughts as follows.
1. england ) rich in traditions and style
2. germany ) beutiful country with beutiful people and really good beer.
3. Japan ) bushido code enogh said LOL.
4. France Ungratfull whinny little people .
6. Italy History History history They gave us the senate wine and
Gina lola bridgada
7. Greece ) Turd tickling.
8. Spain ) sexy women and morons that fight bulls with nothing but a towel LOL.
9.) russia ) a precursser of where we will be if we dont get our watermelon together.
10.China ) one word BIRTH CONTROL PEOPLE!!!!
11. Middle east ) some of the most ignorant bastards on the planet.

Just my opinions Hate me all you want.

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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2003, 08:02:23 PM »
Americans usually don't get as much vacation time off their jobs as people do in other countries.

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2003, 08:56:48 PM »
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Staga wrote

So I invite the Ozzies and kiwis to throw some light on this: What attracts you to Europe, and yet fails to attract the Yanks?
Wow...

Just simply... wow.

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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2003, 09:56:14 PM »
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But, unfortuantely the Aussies need to get their socialist "house" in order at home before I would ever put that country on a pedestal.  

Things like "National Sorry Day" and statistics that show more and more people live on welfare suggests that the paradise "down under" may not last.  

A friend of mine over there wanted to start his own landscaping company and tree removal service.  After working out all the numbers it became clear that he would be ahead of his current "dole" income by about ten percent.  He reasoned, in seemimgly typical Aussie fashion, that the ten percent simply wasn't worth it and that he would forfiet the additional income for the freedom to sit around and do nothing.  He dropped the idea and went back on the dole.

This kind of thing leads the country in one direction economically...down the toilet.


Dear oh dear....

National Sorry Day is as legitimate as National Aids Day or National Women's Day. It is supposed to promote reconcillation between the Government, the people and indigenous populations, but is generally a good exscuse for people to wear ribbons ,have a go at the government's refusal to even say sorry, and isn't even a public holiday.

Your friend sounds like a real dope if his buisness can't turn over more than what he'd get on the dole, which is bugger all. Most australians aren't dole bludgers, and the system (like medicare, the pension) luckily isn't going to be scrapped because the odd few abuse it.

Interest rates are down, as is unemployment and inflation.

The Australian economy is going fine thanks for asking...

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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2003, 11:58:07 PM »
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Americans don't need to travel abroad because everyone comes here.  Australia is nothing like the US as far as diversity goes.  They have been careful about keeping unwanted foreigners out, while we let everyone stroll in as they wish.  During the last election cycle, the first question the polling computer asked was 'English or Spanish?'.  If there were fewer foreigners here, maybe travel overseas would seem more worth the high price.

ra


LOL...you've gotta be kidding.
We're carefull to keep unwanted people out???? how so?
Not as diverse as the US.....plain roadkill, ever been to Melbourne? Cabramatta? Perth? Townsville? Darwin? Stanthorpe?

'We are One, but we are many, from all the lands on Earth we come"

Our population is made up of migrants from around the globe, Irish, English, German, Russian, Italian, Greek, Lebanese, Turkish, Craotion, Serbian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, South African (ex-Rhodesians in particular), Fijiian, Samoan, Maori, and even Americans make up what the world calls "Australians".


You ever been down here RA? do you actually know any Aussies?



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