HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month

[Yeager]

and dammit you know it wont happen.
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Perhaps, but look at it another way: HTC DID NOT have to create a Combat Theater.   You can bet there were some strong discussions pro and con against the CT so be thankfull.
It has filled a gap for more than just a few players who would have bailed due to tenuous boredom with what is known as the Main Arena.

The upcoming Mission Theater is further proof that HTC wants to cater to more than just the average phurball gamer.  In fact, if you believe them, they want to rasie the bar of online gaming to a whole new level.  Im pleased with this as it could not happen too soon.

[hardcase]

It has smoothed out but if you mean the spiking fps when you enter a town or see a bunch of stuff, then it still requires at least 256 megs to run and 512 is recommended and more is the greatest. XP running on 256 is a grind, the OS uses more than 100 megs just to load. It likes free ram to avoid the harddrive and hitting the HD causes those 'spikes'.

HC

[RafBader]

alt-ctrl-del


Damn its not working!

[Mathman]

Thank Hardcase posted in this thread.  I was afraid that we weren't going to get an objective, non-fanboy, look at WW2OL.

[ergRTC]

Thats what I thought hardcase (and I agree with everything you said yeager), but if you look at my sig, you will see I run a pretty tight ship.  In fact tomorrow I am getting some of that 400mhz ram to go with my 533c motherboard.  Its not just ram, its bad code.  No disrespect to the rats but they just bit off more than they could chew, and they are still trying to fit it in there mouth.  I run on a really good dsl, with a hot bellybutton computer, with enough guts to run any well written game at over 100 fps.  Dar be somn rtn in belgium.  They need to clean that toejam up.

When I see the 'maneuvers' that the lw use when fighting my little french planes it explains even more.

strat 1.  I have no idea where he is, I will now start to do scissors.

strat 2.  I have no idea where he is, I will now do a vertical loop.

strat 3.  I see him so I will follow whatever he does.

Never has a german plane done a boom and zoom on me.  Never have I seen a split s.  Never have I seen a barrel roll.  Why?  Cause we are all running at about 20 fps, with planes bopping in and out of existance.  This isnt because we all need better computers.  This is because there code has holes in it.


Sad thing is that the flight model is so porked the 109 handles better than the hawk, the hurricane, the spitfire, and the 520 (which it should).  Even the 110 can keep its own with the hawk in a turn fight.   Almost.

In reality if any german plane got in a turn fight with a hawk it would be dead without a wingman.  Period.  

That is the case in this game (against the hurricane) and that is not the case in their game.  It was also not he case in reality.  When germans got slow against planes that performed well when slow, they were toast.  Just look at the polish airforce.

[hardcase]

I'm looking for the fan in any of these post.

I run an xp2100, 1 gig pc2700 ram and a geforce 4 4600. My fps are more than 20. More like 40 in furball and 70+ alone. Since no one ever bothers to post their resolution or settings FPS post are meaningless. You have a fast rig, but why you would not run faster than me is we usually find someone post " I run at 1600x1200 and I only get 20 fps online".

The real problem is when someone tells me he cant fly on his 2.6 gig intel, I know something is wrong  because of the way it runs on mine.


Why do you think your rig shoudl run 100fps on any game out there? Did you just make that up? Since you are getting fewer fps than I do on my slower rig, what should I think. Buggy code...naaa

Are their bugs..sure...do they keep me from having excellent FPS..no.

So, believe what you will.



BTW a Geforce 3 on that machine is bottlenecking you.

HC

[hardcase]

I can just see all you guys gathering around telling each other how bad ww2:D

HC

[Beegerite]

I spent 3 years in AH and now exclusively play WW2OL with some diversions to WB.  Here's my take.  Best immersion level for someone who wants to fantasize that he's in combat = ww2ol.  Best strategy system under these conditions = ww2ol  Best flight model = not AH, not ww2ol, not WB or any other "game"  This being said, best "impression" of what flight looks like = ww2ol  The bottom line is that I'm looking for an illusion of combat and ww2ol provides the best for me.  Here's the best example I can give you, the icon/view system.  The real world of flight is not CAVU (Ceiling and Visibility Unlimited) like AH or WB.  Airplanes are not clearly defined in front of your eyeballs 100% of the time.  They disappear, you lose them in the background due to comouglage etc.  In ww2ol it's possible to fly a sortee, get involved in a heated dogfight and actually slip away.  Try that in AH or WB.  Now to someone who's looking for 10 kills every sortee this would suck but if you're like me and like the historical feel then and only then would you feel comfortable in ww2ol.  Those who want quick kills stay in AH or WB.

Beeg

[APDrone]

I finally cancelled my WW2 account a couple weeks ago.

I'm tired of waiting for the wonderful world we were promised almost 2 years ago.

Today, 1.5 years after finally shipping a product that immediately required a 70MB Download 'patch' before you could see your first enemy, the denizens of that world are still playing in the same theatre. The times that I have attempted to play have resulted in only being able to be a soldier or fly a Hawk. No fancy rides or armor due to the attrition system.

What little potential enjoyment I had in the game was ruined by purists.

Where are the pretty B17s they tantalized us with the beautiful screenshots?  Where are the other areas of combat? I expected to see the pacific ( AVG? ) by now. With as long as they've spent, calendar wise, on the battle of France, I don't think we'll see the Mighty 8th in full swing until 2012. ( Assuming they're even PLANNING to live up to their promises )

Sorry.. I'm not giving them $13/month until then.

For an infantry based immersion level game.. heck yeah, WW2OL is awesome.  When it first came out, I could spend, literally, hours running around the countryside taking in the graphics, hearing the battles in the distance.. feeling my heart tighten as I heard armor closing in..  Taking out an 88 and punching holes in chars.. yes.. life was good.

After the newness wore off, however, I returned to my true love.  Aircraft.. B17s.. Divebombers.. P38s.  You give me that, I'll pay to play.  You don't .. I won't.

The problem I saw with WW2OL is that the purists are trying to recreate what happened.

Sorry, but we know too much about what happened, the capabilities of the weaponry, and we've gained so much virtual experience that we cannot hope to come close.  You cannot model the training, morale, and element of surprise that was so vital to the success of the German campaign.

It could've been a contender.. now it's relegated to a special interest sect.

I will be surprised if it lasts another year.

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[ergRTC]

No beeg you are right, but computers are not eyes.  Luckily hitech is  a pilot who has actually flown ww2 fighters.  One of the great impressions that he had was that you could not 'create' peripheral vision on a monitor, so any limitation of view was actually handicapping the player beyond what pilots actually had.  My metaphor of the invalid is a very valid one (two pilots in the fam too, and they agree, one of which taught fighter pilots in ww2).    

On to the guy that gets good fps.  MY ASS!  I am running the game on an lcd monitor, the fact that you say "more than 20" tips me way the hell off.  I bet you are pulling in about 10 to 15 in a dog fight.  I have experimented with 4 machines in ww2online, an amd800 with 512 megs of ram - 20 fps; a pentium 3 8something 25;  an amd1800 with 512 megs of ram 28 fps; a pentium 2.8 with 512 megs of ram at 36 fps.  Every, not just some or a few, or just tetris, every other game is pegged to the refresh.  Even that pos il2 is pegged to refresh.

In fact, your the first guy I have heard to say he has gotten more than 40 fps in ww2ol.  I have a hard time believing it was your vid card.  I get 72 (refresh on my lcd) fps when I am sitting in the mission/vehicle selection screen.  I guess that could be what you are referring to.

If in fact you do get these insane fps when you are flying in ww20L I would love to know what kind of system you have, down to the real specs.

erg

[Sandman]

Originally posted by maxtor
Also a prime failing of Warbirds for me.

People should be able to fly what they want on any given day, variety is quite important.  This hitech, etal have addressed in a very novel way with the perk concept.

But with the current system, you can't fly what you want when you want in the MA. Want to fly a 262? Better put in the hours, 'cause it's going to take you awhile to amass the points required.

Tilt has a good idea. Maybe it's not a good fit for the MA, but it's a good idea nonetheless.

Me... I'd like to tone it down a bit... rather than make it impossible to fly after exceeding the death limit, it would be nice if you could at least get airborne on one of the early war rides.

[straffo]

As expected CRS diddlyed up the D520.

This software is a joke

[Grendel]

Originally posted by straffo
As expected CRS diddlyed up the D520.

This software is a joke

AMusing So how that makes D.520 diddlyed? So far it seems to performs exactly like its real life counterpart.

That 110 in fire is a known bug and on the repair list.

[straffo]

Do you read french ?

If so I can send you a 40 page official document about the performances of the D520 ...

Next you'll just have to compare with the WWIIol one ...

You can see another document here : http://www.pangea-systems.com/wwiiws/aircraft/D.520/DvsBf/


btw I don't think the D520 is really porked compared to her real life conter-part but I do think that the 109 and the Stuka have enormous FM problem.

[hardcase]

I'll take some screen shots for you. My FPS are in game.

BTW without Settings info FPS post are a waste of time. I have no way to tell what resolution etc you are running. You running NOLocktorefresh unchecked?

HC