Author Topic: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war (Read 3701 times)

Eaglecz · « **Reply #120 on:** March 06, 2003, 01:57:56 PM »

Steve,
im still messing around waiting your explanation about these terms.

1950's - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1955 - NATO formed to protect West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1960's - German students protest war in Vietnam and American civil rights.
1970's - America spends billions to defend West Germany from Soviet hordes.
1980's - America spends tens of billions to defend West Germany from Soviet
hordes.
1980's - German leftists squeak about Pershing II missiles.
1990's - America spends tens of billions to defend Germany from Islamic
hordes.
1990's - Germany stands by as ethnic cleansing occurs in Balkans.
1995 - Americans send troops to Bosnia as Germans watch from the sidelines.
1999 - Americans lead air war to save Kosovo as Germans watch from the
sidelines.
2003 - Germany sees rise in anti-Americanism after several decades of poor
treatment from America.

speacialy what do you mean by that 1990`s
and if you can write some numberst about those billions and billions mickey mouse money

straffo · « **Reply #121 on:** March 06, 2003, 02:00:34 PM »

I still fail to understand how a different opinion can be Anti-American...

Didn't Staline use Anti-Sovietique to justify is purges ?

Toad · « **Reply #122 on:** March 06, 2003, 02:11:17 PM »

C'mon Straffo. You must be joking.

Toad · « **Reply #123 on:** March 06, 2003, 02:14:38 PM »

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Originally posted by blitz
But it's also true that there were huge political and economical interests 2 for USA to cover Europe after WW2.

Regards Blitz

America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain ridiculous

The absolutely HUGEST political consideration was that no US politician wanted any more American boys to die in Europe by the 100,000's.

The absolutely HUGEST economical consideration is that the money spent on sending millions of American boys to fight in Europe could be spent to much more benefit for the entire world if there's not yet another World War in Europe to prosecute.

There's you political and economical considerations.

blitz · « **Reply #124 on:** March 06, 2003, 02:20:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
The absolutely HUGEST political consideration was that no US politician wanted any more American boys to die in Europe by the 100,000's.

The absolutely HUGEST economical consideration is that the money spent on sending millions of American boys to fight in Europe could be spent to much more benefit for the entire world if there's not yet another World War in Europe to prosecute.

There's you political and economical considerations.

Roflmao

Regards Blitz

America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain

Toad · « **Reply #125 on:** March 06, 2003, 03:15:28 PM »

Bet you'd have been ROFLYAO in the bottom of a Higgins boat going into Omaha beach too.

Don't forget a lot of those guys ended up in the US government after the war. Not unusual that they wouldn't want their sons to have to do what they did.

Oh... wait......... you'd have been up on the dunes shooting down onto Omaha, wouldn't ya? Obviously, a different perspective from there.

straffo · « **Reply #126 on:** March 06, 2003, 03:43:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
C'mon Straffo. You must be joking.

I never joke with this kind of reaction.

When I read if you don't think like me you are Anti-American ...
I'm very very affraid

Why should I be Anti-American when I disagree either with an American citizen or the American governement ?

Toad · « **Reply #127 on:** March 06, 2003, 03:51:48 PM »

Jeez, don't be such a ballerina.

Sure, some folks are going to call you anti-American. There's fringe elements everywhere you look; even in Europe.

Some folks call me a Republican!

I know I'm not a "Republican"..

You know what you are right?

That's all you really need to know, isn't it?

straffo · « **Reply #128 on:** March 06, 2003, 04:16:24 PM »

Yep ,I know who I am (at least I pretend too

)

And btw I'm a republicain but it's the french version not compatible with the American one ... and it's not a party.

Politicaly I'm a lefto-centrist-rightwing-anarcho-comunist it mean that depending of the subject of the discution I'll piss the left of the right ... in short I'm a Libre penseur.

and still the usage of such arguement is

very dangerous I think.

blitz · « **Reply #129 on:** March 07, 2003, 09:03:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Bet you'd have been ROFLYAO in the bottom of a Higgins boat going into Omaha beach too.

Don't forget a lot of those guys ended up in the US government after the war. Not unusual that they wouldn't want their sons to have to do what they did.

Oh... wait......... you'd have been up on the dunes shooting down onto Omaha, wouldn't ya? Obviously, a different perspective from there.

I hate the nazis and their war and all new fanatics whereever they show their ugly head all over the world.

Doesn't matter to me if they are commie-, nazi,- religious-, patriotic- or whatever fanatics, they're all the same dumb Spinner.

Regards Blitz

America is threatened by Iraq in no way, it's just plain

Toad · « **Reply #130 on:** March 07, 2003, 09:31:38 AM »

The point is the post-WW2 US Foreign Policy was shaped by men who actually fought WW2. Who DID come ashore at Omaha Beach, if you will.

So it is not suprising in the least that they would not want their sons to have to do what they did.

This idea apparently causes you to roll on the floor laughing. I'm thinking you don't have a son yet...........

As for Nazi's, I'm sure you do hate them. I'm not accusing you of being one or sympathising with them.

The point is, had you been between 14 and 75 and alive back in those times, you and I both know what army you'd have been in.

And clearly, that's a different perspective.

I seriously doubt there were many German soldiers that marched down the Champs Elysee thinking they were liberating the French people. I'm fairly certain, on the other hand that Allied troops of all nations were thinking that very thing when they marched through Paris.

Hortlund · « **Reply #131 on:** March 07, 2003, 04:44:29 PM »

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Originally posted by blitz
I hate the nazis and their war and all new fanatics whereever they show their ugly head all over the world.

Doesn't matter to me if they are commie-, nazi,- religious-, patriotic- or whatever fanatics, they're all the same dumb Spinner.

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President Bush also won some support this week from Rwandan President Paul Kagame. He was in Washington for meetings with U.S. officials, staying at Blair House, the official presidential guesthouse across the street from the White House. While he was there, my colleagues from CNN International interviewed him, and asked him why not wait for the Security Council to take decisive action before going to war in Iraq? Why not wait for a consensus stance to develop?

Kagame recalled the horrendous tragedy that developed in his country and Burundi in the mid-1990s -- when hundreds of thousands of his people were slaughtered in the fighting between Hutus and Tutsis. "There were endless debates at the Security Council about what was going on in Rwanda, about who was doing what, about what name to give it, to give what was going on in Rwanda," he said. "By the time they realized what was going on, we had lost one million people."

Those are powerful words from an eyewitness to genocide.

rc51 · « **Reply #132 on:** March 07, 2003, 06:30:54 PM »

oh my i think i just FARTED

krazyhorse · « **Reply #133 on:** March 07, 2003, 06:37:40 PM »

my 2 cents, i wish all off our troops (United States of America) were at home, that the USA would withdraw from the UN, and that we stop all foriegn finacial aid using my tax dollars to pay, that we take care of our own and when foreign counrties ask for aid we say , and mind you not pleasantly, screw you , do not ask us for help again, we have helped way to much and at the cost of our young men's lives , france BAH, as my grandfather told me once, he respected the German's he fought against, but he didn't have one ounce of respect for those frenchies who took the boots off of our dead soldiers and sold them back to our troops , in his words greedy little toejams . yes we the USA should pull out of every country now, and take all the money with us.

straffo · « **Reply #134 on:** March 08, 2003, 02:38:16 AM »

Hortlung have you any idea of who Paul Kagame is ????

hint : Juvénal Habiarimana.