Author Topic: 10Bears, You never did reply on the Iraqi Anfal (Read 661 times)

Toad · « **on:** March 06, 2003, 09:14:40 PM »

Your CIA article deals solely with Halabja.

The Human Rights Watch 13 Chapter report (did you even read it?) details an Iraqi program of genocide against Iraqi Kurds that went on for years and killed between 100,000 (Saddam's executioners estimate) and 180,000 Kurds (Estimate from the Kurds themselves).

The genocide happened. Again, the evidence doesn't fit your argument so you ignore it.

So what's your position on "he kills his own people" now?

Here's a bit more to help you decide. From a notably biased source, Amnesty International (already gave you the Human Rights Watch link in the other thread):

AI REPORT 1998: Iraq

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The fate of thousands of people who “disappeared” in previous years remained unknown. They included hundreds of suspected members of opposition groups and their relatives who were arrested when Iraqi government and KDP forces took control of Arbil in August 1996; thousands of Shi'a Muslims arrested in the aftermath of the March 1991 uprising; more than 600 Kuwaiti and other nationals arrested by Iraqi forces during the occupation of Kuwait in 1990 and 1991 and believed to be held in Iraq; an estimated 100,000 Kurdish civilians who “disappeared” in 1988 in the so-called “Operation Anfal”; and thousands of Shi'a Muslim Arabs and Feily Kurds who were arrested on the basis of their Iranian descent during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war (see previous Amnesty International Reports).

fd ski · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2003, 10:11:56 PM »

Let's get Turks next !!!!

http://www.web.amnesty.org/web/ar2000web.nsf/58f967f150817f77802568f500617d07/2e50a33b90820418802568f200552979!OpenDocument

Toad · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2003, 10:23:45 PM »

Yeah! That article says they killed 10 people! Not much compared to 100,000+ but hey.

Lead the charge; I've no misplaced love for the Turks.

Staga · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2003, 10:46:43 PM »

..And while you're at it nuke Texas too

Toad · « **Reply #4 on:** March 06, 2003, 11:06:55 PM »

Can't nuke Texas. They don't engage in genocide.

Toad · « **Reply #5 on:** March 06, 2003, 11:23:57 PM »

So, anyway 10Bears, what do you think about this Anfal operation? Between 180,000 and 100,000 killed... women and children and all.

Zebb say anything about this?

Mark Luper · « **Reply #6 on:** March 06, 2003, 11:27:38 PM »

Naww Staga, ya wouldn't want to nuke Tayxus... where'd you think AH comes from anyhow? (Plus we gots some of them nukes ourselfs ya know..)

Montezuma · « **Reply #7 on:** March 06, 2003, 11:46:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
So, anyway 10Bears, what do you think about this Anfal operation? Between 180,000 and 100,000 killed... women and children and all.

It didn't seem to bother Reagan much when it was happening.

Toad · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2003, 12:01:40 AM »

Apparently it doesn't bother 10Bears, Blix, Bounder, Ping, Straffo or a lot of other folks either. Go figure.

Yeager · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2003, 12:08:35 AM »

Apparently it doesn't bother 10Bears, Blix, Bounder, Ping, Straffo or a lot of other folks either. Go figure.
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No surprize is it.

10Bears · « **Reply #10 on:** March 07, 2003, 01:24:51 AM »

When 1.5 million people were standing in the rain just across the border of Kosovo.. where were you Toad?

It's amazing how some of you do a complete 180 in your attitudes .. now it's all about how we gotta save the poor kurrrrrrrrds.. unless of course Turkey accepts our thirty billion dollar bribe then diddly the kurds.. The Turks had designs on northern Iraq that was part of the deal.. No way they were going to allow any sort of Kurdish state. Still won't.. that's all BS.

I suppose the Republicans will want to arm the Kurds.. you know, so they can protect themselfs from the Turks..

BTW how's that drug war going in Afghanistan? and (which side are we on?)

straffo · « **Reply #11 on:** March 07, 2003, 02:27:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Apparently it doesn't bother 10Bears, Blix, Bounder, Ping, Straffo or a lot of other folks either. Go figure.

When I sleep I cannot post.

I already made my position clear : Sadam is a dictator and we should get ride of him.
The way choosen by the Bus administration is IMO the wrong way.

Dowding · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2003, 02:38:34 AM »

I don't think anyone denies Saddam is a genocidal maniac, so I'm not sure what your point is?

Ping · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2003, 02:41:25 AM »

Its amazing that you lump me in that catagory...where have I said I do not care?
I have stated in previous posts that I believe NK to be more of a threat to The US than Iraq. That is Certainly NOT critical of US involvement in the DMZ.
I have stated that Saddam is a The worst sort of Individual and should be dead. Where do you find me saying that Its OK he is doing these things.
Toad You seem to putting thoughts and words into my own mouth. Get Your diddlying Facts straight before you accuse people of things.
I simply believe that your Government should Follow International Law instead of becoming a rogue vigilante Nation.
And as was pointed out, Your previous Administrations had no problem in overlooking those minor Glitches in Human Rights while they allied themselves with those murderous Bastards.
I will say it again. Your allies in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia are more of a threat to America than Iraq is.

Ping · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2003, 02:52:30 AM »

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78947

Hortlund said

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Who said that? That is one of the positive consequences of taking out Saddam...there are hundreds of other positive consequences too. There is not one positive consequence of leaving him in power though.

My reply was:

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Hortlund, this may surprise you but, you are correct. However there is even more to lose by going in without due caution.
#1 priority: War against terrorism
By Unilaterally going in on Saddam you will weaken that #1 objective.
Terrorism is not a State, it is a shadowy entity with no borders. By acting rashly, 1000's more of these shadowy figures will emerge due to an act of aggression.

And please note that I said DUE CAUTION.