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Offline air_guard

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2003, 06:03:37 AM »
norway have oil and gas reserves enogh for suppling europes need for the next 50 years and nobody has invaded us yet :)

well, for 60 years ago tough but no oil at that time rofl.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2003, 06:06:38 AM »
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The UN will be begging to help the US rebuild Iraq, not the other way around. The US has independent plan for rebuilding. But the UN and your country France will want a part. Not because they are "humanitarians" but because they have an existing financial interest in Iraqi oil.

No Dowding this threads about the funds needed to rebuild Iraq, not who pays the US military. The US taxpayers pays its soldiers and why are you concerned with that?

The US plan to rebuild Iraq has been linked on this board and is based on the events in Kosovo where private organizations are contracted to fill a variety of needs. The next Iraqi government would have an interest in getting the US out of its major afairs. To do so it would make sense that they help in anyway they can.

In the short term the US is prepared to bring in Food and medicine and has been in contact with the red cross and other groups of this type to distribute this aid.

The US and UK wont lock the UN out and would welcome their help. Especially if it gets our troops home and saves us money. In the case with UK they may want the UN their but the US wont go on bended knee to an irrelevant organization. Regardless of what the UN does the US will depose Saddam, liberate and rebuild Iraq.

These are inescapable facts. You can make up any motivation you want, hold all the candle light hippy degenerate marches you want, espouse nutty conspiracies etc... But these arguements are as irrelevant as the UN.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2003, 06:11:31 AM »
Dangit, Holden. I stand corrected.

And why not have the dutch profit, too ? German Companies reaped the profits of Saddam`s desire for weapons.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2003, 06:13:57 AM »
You are certaily right Batz our "megacorps" will fight over the cadavers to gain influence and market ..
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2003, 06:17:45 AM »
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No Dowding this threads about the funds needed to rebuild Iraq, not who pays the US military. The US taxpayers pays its soldiers and why are you concerned with that?


I guess I'll have to spell it out. Who's going to provide the security to keep all the various factions from killing each other so that rebuilding is possible? Or are you saying the US troops will leave that to 'whoever'?

If you think a large scale military presence will not be required in post-war Iraq, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2003, 06:28:58 AM »
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If you think a large scale military presence will not be required in post-war Iraq, you're living in cloud cuckoo land.


Who said that?

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Who's going to pay for the long term US troop presence in Iraq?


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We always pay for our troops. Why do you care any way?

We have paid for our long term presence in Europe, the Far east and any where we go.


Is that clear enough.

Bush has said that the US will not remain in Iraq any longer then necessary. If that 5 years or 50 thats what he said.

So why do you care

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Who's going to pay for the long term US troop presence


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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2003, 09:29:32 AM »
It's about time we freed someone from oppression and it was mutually beneficial. Had to happen sooner or later.
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2003, 09:36:07 AM »
Ozkansas is asking about the costs of rebuilding. He clearly believes the US shouldn't carry that burden. I'm asking about the forces needed to enable rebuilding. Does he believe the Iraqis should pay for them?
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2003, 09:36:45 AM »
Anyone have any idea how much rebuilding Europe cost the US tax payers? the cost of rebuilding Japan?  It will be done and it is the right thing to do.

How much will a Small atomic bomb set off on Wall St. cost?
How much will a nuclear war in the Mid. East cost?
What is freedom worth to the Irac people worth (anyone asked them)?


What good is money anyway if you cant do the right thing with it.
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2003, 09:49:47 AM »
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Ozkansas is asking about the costs of rebuilding. He clearly believes the US shouldn't carry that burden. I'm asking about the forces needed to enable rebuilding. Does he believe the Iraqis should pay for them?


Iraq won't be "paying" anything in cash terms, but instead they will receive "less" than the full sale price for their oil.

Call it a commission, management fee...WHATEVER.  All that will happen is that instead of receiving NOTHING the new Iraq will receive whatever they get from the sale of their oil worldwide...with this fee deducted.

I see NO problem with that.  I think they should have to bear the cost of ridding their country of Sadaam, rebuilding what needed to be destroyed to do so, and for keeping the religious nutjobs at bay while it all happens.  It is a very fair trade.
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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2003, 10:10:28 AM »
Fair enough, but which religious nutjobs do you refer to? The Shi'ites who want to kill the Kurds? Or the Kurds who want to kill the Shi'ites? Or the Kurds and the Shi'ites who want to kill the Sunnis?

I just think this could be an impossible job that to give our armed forces. Afghanistan is a good example.
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2003, 10:13:21 AM »
after the US troops get rid of saddam , the US will send over 100,000 war protesters to keep the peace. they will march and give speeches and tell the iraqis how bad war is and carry signs like "no blood for oil" "impeach war monger bush"
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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2003, 10:25:50 AM »
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Afghanistan is a good example.
Afghanistan is a terrible example in my opinion. I do not feel that the two countries have enough in common to make the connection.  

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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2003, 10:43:31 AM »
Nooooooooooo!!! Not the children!!!!


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Billions and billions of USA taxpayer monies will be diverted to rebuild Iraq to the point that all the children of America will starve!
 
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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2003, 10:45:28 AM »
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Ozkansas is asking about the costs of rebuilding. He clearly believes the US shouldn't carry that burden. I'm asking about the forces needed to enable rebuilding. Does he believe the Iraqis should pay for them?


The point I am making is that some think that Iraq is a poor nation without any form of income.  Experts seem to forget the oil under Iraq and the wealth that it represents will not be used to rebuild Iraq.  The leftist democrats seem unable to connect the dots, as usual.

The question of how long the USA will need to be in Iraq to keep the various factions separated is a good question.  I guess a presents will need to be there till all are settled.  I hope that the USA will have a long term presents as the USA will have a base to project its power in the Middle East!

I see only good things for the future of the Middle East with a USA presents in the region:)
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