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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2003, 10:08:08 PM »
Somewhere there's a bulldozer with your name on it.

God bless America.

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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2003, 10:13:01 PM »
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Originally posted by SaburoS
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Yup, it's for peace and freedom. It's going to be a pre-emptive war to prevent future american casualties. It's because we wanted arms inspections again. Hmmmm.

So why is it we're told to be prepared for casualties?
Why is it we're told to be prepared for terror attacks?
Where is the link to Iraq and 9/11?

Now tell me that we won't increase the anti-American terrorist pool with this invasion/war. Tell me that the terror pool didn't get bigger with our war on Afghanistan. Or because the other side suffers civillian casualties is ok because it's mearly collateral damage. Next big attack on American and/or English soil against our citizens, just don't be shocked ,ok? We're creating an ever bigger pool of terrorists by our lack of human respect around the world. It's a new age of instant communications. We reap what we sow. BTW, do you all care at all for any innocent Iraqi civillians that might get killed?
Good luck to us all. We've entered a new path of no return that'll be hard to undo. :(

I sure as hell wish our president studied a bit better in world history and US foreign policy when he was a student rather than do coke and party.



The face of the world has changed..get over it. Your looking at the future for abit. We're going to have to continue this for along time. The genie is outta of the friggen box...every 3rd world dictator is going to want his personal nuke or version of anthrax.
It has to start and end somewhere. Better Iraq w/US doing the assult than some radical w/a bio-nuke in Paris...London...New York..etc.

We're entering an age of Choas and mayhem. We are entering an age were we better be ready to do what is needed to protect ourselfs..beacuse the world has proven how GD useless they are at protecting anybody but their selfs... if that. And its only going to get worse.
Of course, I only see what he posts here and what he does in the MA.  I know virtually nothing about the man.  I think its important for people to realize that we don't really know squat about each other.... definately not enough to use words like "hate".

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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2003, 11:08:46 PM »
BGBMaW, you really oughta cut down on your posting, you're making yourself look like a complete tard.  Perhaps i'm biased or maybe not, my brother is a Royal engineer and is on the Iraq/Kuwait boarder this very minute, surprisingly for a european i'm pro war.:eek:   However turning psycho because you don't agree with someone is just plain stupid, for your own sake.....calm down!


A funny thing happened to me tonight, me and few friends were in a pub and it was kareoke night (just got home).  My mate performed the song Sex Bomb by Tom Jones (dunno if this song is known in the US) and at the end when people began clapping he shouted "yeah! lets go send some sex bombs to Iraq and kill the b******ds!".....the whole pub went dead.  It was soooo funny i couldn't stop laughing at him (the pub is 90% full of students) it was such a stupid thing to say but that's how he feels i guess.:D   This doesn't have any relevence to this thread at all- but i thought ti was funny.:D
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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2003, 11:13:38 PM »
Torque is a fairy.

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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2003, 04:03:06 AM »
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You may wanna flip the page in YOUR history book, it was WJC who gave us the attack on the USS Cole and the WTC towers.

Pay attention! The balls been set in motion for some time now, atleast SOMEONE is doing something about it now.
-SW


...and who gave us the attack on the USS Stark?
How about the Marines in Beiruit?
...or do you save all your accusations for Democrats only?

Sure the balls been rolling for decades now, but this is the first time that I'm living through seeing first hand our lack of world support for a military action so large. (I was too young for Vietnam). We could have chosen diplomacy, but we're set on war.
We're adding fuel to the fire of our true enemies.
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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2003, 04:35:47 AM »
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Originally posted by miko2d
SaburoS: We've entered a new path of no return that'll be hard to undo. :(

 US has entered that path - the path of big government and imperial ambitions - well over a century ago. It stayed on that path because people like you are not willing to study history, stay ignorant and only realise that things are wrong when bombs start falling.

I sure as hell wish our president studied a bit better in world history and US foreign policy when he was a student rather than do coke and party.

 I sure wish americans studied all those things - then we would have a president we would not have to worry about.

 miko


miko,
I've been studying history as it's been a hobby of mine for over 23 years. Am I thinking all of a sudden something's wrong? Heck no. Our imperialist expansionism had its real start in 1898 from our isolationism previously. The path I speak of now is our nation heading down a dangerous road isolated from world support and allies. In this age of instant communications, technology of bio, chem, and atomic weapons and their delivery systems, makes for a very unstable future. Our pool of enemies (from our dabbling in other's affairs) will definitely increase with this latest action. There's a big difference from fear to respect. Make people fear you, they'd not willingly help you (they might even actively try to destroy you). If they respect you, you'll have genuine friends coming to your aid if needed. If you bully others, they tend not to be so forgiving (I'm using "you" as a generality).
We are at a unique time in modern times. Being the strongest both militarily and economically with no real enemy of equal strength. We could choose to build stronger relations via diplomacy and seek out making friends of supposed enemies. Enemies want to see of your demise, friends seek to protect one another. We've been going down the path of creating enamies for a long time now. But now, we're creating a bigger pool of real enemies that can do some real damage. It's a shame it's coming down to this.
Maybe someday we'll evolve further as a human species before we wipe each other out.
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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2003, 05:06:45 AM »
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
Saburo = toejam..

You do no justice to Saburo Sakais Name...

He would say the same thing about you he did about the Japanese Gov..


You are an idoit..

I will be very simple...

diddly you..And Go be a human Shield. Saddam will take good care of you


Ya..dont do anything..they will get more mad......Ya....You are a handsomehunk

"let the persoanlattaks begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


diddly You

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BGBMAW,
Dude your rant is so out of here that its hilarious. :D
Am I going to go on personal attacks against you? What for?
This I'll say about you:
You care very much about your country and it's populace....but so do I and everyone else here.
In this war, you want to see absolutely minimun casualties and hope that no innocent lives are hurt or lost......but so do I and everyone else here.
You absolutely hate terrorism....but so do I and so does everyone else here.
You consider yourself very patriotic...but so do I and most everyone else here.
Are you so pissed off at some (like me), Yes you are.
Am I upset about it? Nope. You are expressing your anger and frustration based on your beliefs as you see them. Yup, can't argue the way you feel.
Do I feel you're a bit lacking on knowledge of US foreign policy? Yes.
Do I care if you keep on with the Ef you's and similar stuff? Naw, rant away. It doesn't bother me...really. I'd actually be more bothered if I couldn't control my temper and went on a temper tantrum.
Do I care if you never, ever give me a check six call? Not at all. Kind of hard since we're on different countries. But if we did, I'll see the result of my getting shot down due to two things:
1) My lack of skill...and
2) My lack of SA
Will you or anyone else get a check six from me? Of coarse as I don't have time to keep track of cyber "enemies" on my own country to decide to give a check six or not (my indecision could get me shot down in the heat of battle).
I'll base my hatred for those that are real enemies, not fellow patriotic citizens that also care about our future. To do so would be silly and a waste of energy.
Best regards sir ~S~!,
SaburoS
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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2003, 05:43:20 AM »
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WHO DOES MORE TO HELP THE WORLD THEN USA!!???
 Yes we arent perfect...Who  is bettr then huh?

yes saburo..you are a hunk of toejam


Yes, please educate me on how our nation helped the world out of the kindness of its own heart. Give me the examples.
The United States has interfered in more sovereign nations from developing into industrial, democratic countries than help. It was and is against US business interests to help develop competing industrialised nations. We have propped up and supported more totalitarian dictatorships whether they be via monarchy, dictatorship (Marcos, Somoza, Batista, Pinochet, Pahlavi, etc).
Former President Bush even toasted Marcos of his being pro-democracy and freedom (long after he declared martial law and went from elected president to dictator).
Jeane Kirkpatrick gave similar praise to Pinochet even as he continued to rule Chile with an iron fist.
Hypocritical, no?
BTW our first "Vietnam" was in Nicaragua during the early '30s.
It's funny that we see the UN as a legitimate organization when it supports us (like when Iran took our hostages), but we cast aside the UN as meaningless when they disagree with our actions (such as when we mined Nicaraguas harbor - an act of war btw, as it's stricly against international law to do that. Or now in our invasion of Iraq.)
Does it mean that America alone has its dark history? No, not at all. Not many nations can claim to not be interfering in other nations.
But you know what? I am not a French citizen living in France, German living in Germany, Japanese living in Japan, Iranian living in Iran, etc., etc.
I am an American living in the US. I am exercising my freedom of expression rights as an American citizen. Do I have the right to criticize that which I disagree with? I believe so, just as you or anyone else has that same right to disagree with me or anyone else.
I wish I was an English major so that I could express myself better. I guess we'll have to leave it as it is.
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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2003, 05:49:17 AM »
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Why get so complicated?
Iraq provided training to Al-Queda. (per Iraqi defectors)
Mohammed Atta had meetings with Iraqi intelligence agents during the planning phase of the 9-11 attacks. (per Czech intel agency)


So when do we attack Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to name but two countries?
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« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2003, 08:06:26 AM »
How come it is called "legimate war" when civilians in Iraq get killed by americans, but US homefront is warned of possible "terrorist acts" if Iraq retaliates?

Because of the uniforms?

...just wondering.


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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2003, 08:23:55 AM »
Funky can you make a tinfoil helmet?

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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2003, 08:45:45 AM »
"How come it is called "legimate war" when civilians in Iraq get killed by americans, but US homefront is warned of possible "terrorist acts" if Iraq retaliates?

Because of the uniforms?

...just wondering."

You cannot possibly be serious...or are you?

A  "legitimate war" as you call it, will not target civilians, it will target the enemy military.  In other words, "my military against your military".  Simply, my armed troops against your armed troops.  Is it possible for civilians to get killed in a so called "legitimate war"?  Yes, but the US military strives to keep civilian deaths to a minimum.......ZERO civilian deaths is what they shoot for.

"Terrorist acts" are in a completely different category.  These are chickenshits who lack the courage to take on someone who is armed or trained to deal with the threat.  Waging "war" or "jihad" by strapping a bunch of TNT or C4 to yourself and boarding a bus to detonate it and kill folks who are no threat to you is a terrorist act.  Hijacking an airliner and flying it and the passengers into a building is a terrorist act.  Both are examples of taking the lives of innocents, or noncombatants, just to prove a point.  Don't know about you, but the only point they prove to me is that they, or their religion they are "fighting" for, care very little about human life.
When was the last time you heard of a US military action that involved hijacking an airliner full of passengers and crashing it into an area full of other noncombatants?  
Sometimes I wonder what the rest of the "civilized" world would think if we leveled the playing field and used the terrorists rules against them?  Answer:  We would be termed barbarians, and rightly so.  If we located and wiped out the desert training camps used by various terrorist organizations, killing everyone in each camp, the world outcry would be enormous........all the "innocent people" who had died, just for associating with an organization that blatantly plotted murder just to make themselves feel important.
IMO, Hussein should have been dealt with years ago, like 10 or more years ago.  But the UN, in it's infinite wisdom, chose to sit on it's hands and make resolutions that are not worth the paper they are written on.  Someone has to step up and make the hard decisions, buck the system, and take the guy out.  UN sanctions did not kill Iraqis, Sadam Hussein did.  Does he look unhealthy?  If people are starving there because of the UN sanctions, how can he afford to keep his military up and build himself palaces?
I am not totally comfortable with what we are doing in Iraq, but I trust GWB to make the right decisions based on the intelligence he gets from our sources, be they American or from another country.
I do know this much:  As long as Bush is in office, we in America finally have a leader who is going to take a hard line on the killing of Americans "just because they are Americans".  Call it idealism, call it blind loyalty, but growing up I remember my sister being told not to travel overseas because Americans were being targeted by terrorists just for the simple fact that she was Americans  The individual person did not have to have done anything wrong, just being an American made you a target.
That likely won't stop now, but we have a leader in office now who will do everything in his power to make it a risk to do that now.  
Maybe I misread you question, but if not, you have my reply.

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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2003, 09:05:02 AM »
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How come it is called "legimate war" when civilians in Iraq get killed by americans, but US homefront is warned of possible "terrorist acts" if Iraq retaliates?

Because of the uniforms?

...just wondering.


During any military conflict, civilian casualties are a probability.  Thats a war.

During peacetime, when civilians are TARGETED, thats terrorism.

Can you really not see the difference between 9/11 and the action in Iraq?

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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2003, 09:17:29 AM »
Yes, I'll defend unto death your right to say and believe such things. They still sadden me. Think such things after you've seen a member of the  Mukhabarat drag a nine year old girl into the street and shoot her in the back of the head because her father decided to speak for what he believed in.

Is it about oil? Of course not, it's about the liberation of a people from a cruel, oppressive dictator. Having access to the Iraqi oil fields may very well be a side-effect of this war. Frankly if we free the people from that government's grip, I don't care for what reasons it's really being done.

I turned 26 in the mountains of Northern Iraq.

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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2003, 10:15:35 AM »
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What the heck has, check- six in AH GAME , to do with a political discussion???

You dont give CK6 those which dont agree with your opinion??
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