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Offline Raubvogel

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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2003, 02:06:57 PM »
I can't wait until the troops wipe the smugness from all of your anti-american faces.

I think some of you are just hoping that the US and Britain fail. Unfortunately for you, that's not going to happen.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2003, 02:12:59 PM »
only one who expected fast and safe war were UK&US`s bla bla bla generals..... and naturaly all, who were listen just them

what a surprise that they do defend their country as they can

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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2003, 02:19:21 PM »
They also tend to forget that the 4th Infantry Division (remember the other heavy armor unit that was suppose to attack from Turkey) should be unloading in Kuwait/Umm Qasr in the next few days.  Not to mention the 101st is finally getting into action.

American Combat strength will only increase, while the Iraqi strength can only decrease.

True once we get to Baghdada there are only 4 options.

1.) Turn around, apologize, and retreat from the country (not going to happen).

2.) Direct frontal assault with "light" units and no preparations to minimize civilain casulties.  (again not very likely).  But the Coalition would end up taking massive losses in house to house fighting, due to self imposed restrictions.

3.) Encircle Baghdad, and cut it off from outside supplies.  And then simply wait. Baghdad is not a self sustaining city, and supplies are limited.  This is probably the best solution in regards to Coalition and Civilain casulties.  But we will of course catch a world of bad PR because we are "starving the poor Iraqi people to death".

4.) Encircle Baghdad, conduct large scale assault preparations with artillery and massive generalized air strikes, and use a full frontal assualt with eveyrthing we have.  The traditional method.  Basically what the Russians did in Grozny a couple of years ago (of course they had UN approval for that war didn't they? :p) Very bloody and destructive to the civilian population and infrastructure, but less risk to Coalition troops than option #3.

So which do YOU think will happen?

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2003, 02:26:56 PM »
Uhmmm Orel, The US Generals have NEVER said it would be a cake-walk.  They have always gone out of their way to say it would be a tough, difficult campaign.

Stop getting all of your information from a urinal....ahh Pravda.

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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2003, 02:27:16 PM »
1) and 2) would make a hero of Saddam in Arab world

3) and 4) would make a martyr of him in Arab world


1), 2), 3) and 4) will make dozen of new Bin Ladens

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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2003, 02:34:43 PM »
Hristo, much of what you said is true.  

But its also a fact that there were going to be dozens of new Bin Ladens in the world anyways.  Its a clash of cultures (West vs. Islamic Fundamentalists), and regardless of what we do to protect ourselves, is going to continue and escalate.  Remember, they've been coming after us for the past 10 years, regardless of what we do.

So if we remove some of their support and access to WMD's, we win.  Its not a total win, buts its one step along a long road march of history.

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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2003, 02:41:49 PM »
ehm

and what is this Cobra ??


"The US press and networks give the war wall-to-wall coverage, as hopes grow for an easy victory."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2873803.stm

" Iraqi war 'will be short'
 
  A possible US-led war with Iraq is likely to be short and "won't be a World War III," US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld says. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2873803.stm

so im probably blind Cobra

afk.. heading to visit doctor

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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2003, 02:44:07 PM »
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1), 2), 3) and 4) will make dozen of new Bin Ladens


holy true

Offline Cobra

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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2003, 02:48:55 PM »
Orel,
I said the US Generals, not the politicians or the Washington Post!

Besides that BBC article you linked doesn't have any quotes from the US Commanding Generals.

You said US Generals.

In the briefings from Central Command, they have never said it would be a cake-walk.

That link you posted does not dispute at all what I said.

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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2003, 03:06:32 PM »
the 101 airborne divison has not yet been set in action , I think they will  hold i until the Badad line is close.
And that is a wise way to do it in my eyes tough.
they got abot 250 apache copters and a hell of a lot fire power to launch. god bless those guys and good luck when thetime comes.

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2003, 03:09:36 PM »
you right Cobra.. my fault, just missed Genrals with Commanders

ahhhh so BBC is just writing their owen news or what ??

come on Bush spoke about fast war, thats why price of Oil went a bit down

do me favour try to search some information, before you gonna cry what is, isnt true

anyway i will apriciate any links to Bushs quote " it will be looong war" ... older that 4 days please ;)

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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2003, 03:21:42 PM »
Orel,
I don't need to do you the favor, I wasn't the one that was wrong here.

In most things, I will try to sift through all the words and listen to what is being said by the people who's job it is to do such things.

Sooo, if I want learn something, I generally give more weight to those that actually have studied and trained and who's job it is to implement or accomplish said task.

If you want to take talking heads spewage as gospel, then YOU do me the favor and research more before re-spewing it.  I don't have to provide you any Bush link, as I never made any claims one way or the other.

At least you admitted you were wrong.

Cobra

***Edit--Orel, regarding the BBC making up their own news....of course they do, except in this case of course.  I mean, how funny is that a leading News Organization is running as its lead paragraph quotes from other News Organizations!  Papers quoting Papers....sheesh!
« Last Edit: March 24, 2003, 03:27:24 PM by Cobra »

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« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2003, 03:34:24 PM »
Orel,

Here is an excerpt from President Bush's speech to the Nation on the OPENING day of the war...  

I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict.  And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.

Sure doesn't sound like the President predicted a real quick war to me Orel...

You get YOUR facts straight sir  :-)

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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2003, 04:05:28 PM »
Hey guys it's very simple.  If the goal was purely to minimize Coalition casualties and get it over with as soon as possible, they would just "take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."  Maybe not nukes, but just liberally applied air power.  Enemy troops mixed in with civilians?  Too bad...  MOAB Time.

But that's not the goal.  The goal is to free the Iraqis from Saddam and get their economy going again and let them choose their own leaders.  So in order to avoid trashing the country's infrastructure, avoid civilian casualties, and to avoid letting the Turks run wild in Kurdistan, the planners have taken a few risks.  That means it won't be done overnight, some expensive hardware is going to be destroyed, and some Coalition troops are going to die.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2003, 04:10:42 PM by funkedup »

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« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2003, 04:21:10 PM »
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Originally posted by GrimCO
Orel,

Here is an excerpt from President Bush's speech to the Nation on the OPENING day of the war...  

I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict.  And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.

Sure doesn't sound like the President predicted a real quick war to me Orel...

You get YOUR facts straight sir  :-)

thanks for link instead of blabla
but this disclaimer is not older that 4 days is it ?