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Offline Dowding

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2003, 12:44:32 PM »
There was nothing couched within my post. I just assumed they would know if it was a mistake  - doesn't the pilot watch the impact on a camera?

I can understand them being cautious though.

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Give the US some credit for trying to be as honest as operational security allows.


What makes you think it was a US crew?
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2003, 01:36:16 PM »
Actually, I made no judgements on whether it might have been a "US crew" (as opposed to a British one), but said only that the US would try to verify the facts.  Also, these bombings take place at night (at least in Bahgdad), so if it was a GPS-guided munition (as opposed to a laser-guided bomb) the pilot would not see the impact.  If it was not a bomb, but a missile instead, obviously there would not be a pilot to do on the spot BDA.  I inferred from your post above that you were assuming (couching) it was a coalition bomb.  If I inferred wrong, I apologize.

As far as my "operational security" remark is concerned, that was a general observation about the information put out by the US military.  These military briefers are asked many questions by the press that they cannot answer truthfully without giving potentially harmfull information to the enemy.  It has been my experience that instead of lying about it, they simply answer that they are not at liberty to discuss it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2003, 01:46:16 PM »
I see.

About the crew, I was assuming you had gleaned the nationality from a news report I hadn't seen. Not that it matters.
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2003, 02:32:15 PM »
Another possibility (posed by a BBC article I just read) is that the explosion may have been caused by an Iraqi SAM or large caliber AAA shell that had fallen back to earth and exploded in the market.

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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2003, 02:43:03 PM »
what Vermillion said

US said they have accounted for all missile/bombs and none of them were targeted for that area.

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2003, 03:10:41 PM »
"doesn't the pilot watch the impact on a camera?"

Depends on what they are shooting.
JDAM - no, autonomous GPS guided
JSOW - no, autonomous GPS/INS, except for the C model which has terminal IR guidance.
TLAM or CALCM or ACM - no they are autonomous
TV/IR guided - yes they usually monitor it all the way
Laser guided stuff - yes they have to designate the target.
HARM - no, it's autonomous.

Im pretty sure JDAM and JSOW and HARM are what they are firing mostly.

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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2003, 03:17:59 PM »
Colin powell said misguided freedom bombs.

Anyway, they died for freedom and democrazy and i guess they would be happy to read "Collateral damage" on their gravestones :(



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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2003, 03:31:33 PM »
All wars are violent and ugly. Please find me a conflict that was regarded as a work of art, suitable for a 3 week run on Broadway or for a six month feature in the Tate Gallery.

That's why they are generally avoided.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2003, 03:36:52 PM »
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All wars are violent and ugly.  


So are most of the women I meet....

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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2003, 03:40:00 PM »
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All wars are violent and ugly. Please find me a conflict that was regarded as a work of art, suitable for a 3 week run on Broadway or for a six month feature in the Tate Gallery.

That's why they are generally avoided.



This war wasn't avoided but provoked by Mr. Bush & Co at all costs.

Sad enough :(



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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2003, 03:42:27 PM »
The word you're looking for is unjust.  There is no such word as unjustice.  If you're going to buck for "probation"... you might as well spell things correctly along the way.

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2003, 03:45:00 PM »
My point still stands, Blitz. Saying that any war is violent and ugly is completely redundant.
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2003, 04:00:45 PM »
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My point still stands, Blitz. Saying that any war is violent and ugly is completely redundant.



Totally agreed :)


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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2003, 04:02:52 PM »
Why are they still milling around when they know that city is under siege. They had ample time to get the hell out, heck more than half the city already did. I know I would.

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2003, 04:14:41 PM »
Hey blitz the Iraqi Republican Guard can use some help, you seem to be just the man for the job.



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