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Offline Replicant

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A-10 fires on British vehicles?
« on: March 30, 2003, 03:05:16 AM »
Anyone got any information on the A-10 attacking a British vehicle?  All I know is that one British troop died and four or five were injured.  Haven't seen hardly any converage of it.
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A-10 fires on British vehicles?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2003, 03:07:50 AM »
Yup. It happened and is being investigated. Again.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2003, 03:16:15 AM »
Last Gulf War an A-10 fired on two Warrior tanks.  Can't remember how many were killed.  They were members of 3 Bn Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (3 RRF).  We've recently had 1 & 2 RRF stationed near where I live and many were involved in that incident. (3 RRF disbanded to a TA Bn, all Regular Army joined 1 or 2 RRF).

Although tragic in all circumstances, I just hope this vehicle wasn't part of 1 RRF (who are out there) as this would bring just too many memories back.
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2003, 03:43:36 AM »
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...Again.


Hate to say it but thats the first thought I had. :(

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2003, 03:56:01 AM »
It just brought the incident from the first gulf war, to the fore.

9 died in that incident, Nexx, IIRC.
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2003, 03:58:41 AM »
it was a damn shame in 1991. the UK armored guys were making such rapid progress that they penetrated deep into a kill box before they could be warned or the guys patrolling the kill box could be warned.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2003, 04:49:05 AM »
There should be a better form of target recognition, an IFF for vehicles too.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2003, 09:49:56 AM »
wow!  friendly fire incidents in a.....war?   how can that be?

really grasping at straws here  boys.
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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2003, 10:39:30 AM »
with iff and proper procedures . it shouldent be . somone screwed a pooch.
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2003, 01:48:13 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2003, 08:30:57 PM »
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with iff and proper procedures . it shouldent be . somone screwed a pooch.


There isn't IFF on ground vehicles. Even if there was it is only an indicator and not infallible. Any electronic device can fail. The other factor to consider is that the frequency (or response code if you will) must be entered on each change of code time frame, be it a 24 hr code or on breach of security. IFF can also be jammed. Sender and receiver must have the same code for it to be a valid indicator.

Stop worrying about screwing pooches unless it's you avocation, and I don't mean the worrying part.
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2003, 09:59:16 PM »
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There isn't IFF on ground vehicles. Even if there was it is only an indicator and not infallible. Any electronic device can fail. The other factor to consider is that the frequency (or response code if you will) must be entered on each change of code time frame, be it a 24 hr code or on breach of security. IFF can also be jammed. Sender and receiver must have the same code for it to be a valid indicator.

Stop worrying about screwing pooches unless it's you avocation, and I don't mean the worrying part.


LDV just talkin out his "other orifice" again.
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Re: A-10 fires on British vehicles?
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2003, 10:59:56 PM »
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Anyone got any information on the A-10 attacking a British vehicle?  All I know is that one British troop died and four or five were injured.  Haven't seen hardly any converage of it.



the only thing I've seen

http://au.rd.yahoo.com/n/nw/030331/19/rdvp.html

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2003, 04:24:25 AM »
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Lance Corporal Gerrard also criticised the pilot for shooting when there were civilians so close to the tanks.

"There was a boy of about 12-years-old. He was no more than 20 metres [65.6 ft] away when the Yank opened up. There were all these civilians around.

"He [the pilot] had absolutely no regard for human life. I believe he was a cowboy. He'd just gone out on a jolly."

He added: "I'm curious about what's going to happen to the pilot.

"He's killed one of my friends and he's killed him on the second run."

Trooper Finney, who was hit in the leg when the A-10 made its second attack, said all the British soldiers and their families joked about "friendly fire".

He said: "I got a letter off my dad the day before the attack and it said 'Be careful, come home soon and watch out for those damn Yanks'.

"Looks like he tempted fate a bit there."



Victims describe 'friendly fire' terror

I would have thought they would have prevented the survivors from commenting at all, before an investigation is carried out.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2003, 11:52:02 AM »
I heard that the light tanks were displaying all recognition equipment as provided by the USA, to supposedly prevent friendly fire.  They even had a Union flag flying on one of the vehicles.

Not sure exactly what the 'recognition equipment' consists of, but I believe it includes:- chevrons painted on the vehicles, high illuminious material (like high visibility reflective clothing) that they can put up if they're wary of airstrike, national flag.... anything else?
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