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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2003, 01:01:08 PM »
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The M1 series is close to 30 years old from initial prototype.

You can bet some of the more current russion supplied anti-tank weapons performance against the M1A2 will go a long way in the performace specs for the upcoming MBT.

The russians have done some damned great things with armored combat vehicles.  The greatest contribution to tank warfare was and still is the T34, IMHO.  Always admired that design.  


Well, all the T-80,84(this one is Ukrainian from Khar'kov tractor factory) ,90 designs are based on a T-72 with modifications like "modern" gas turbine engine (unreliable), modern targeting systems (makes it possible to even shoot helicopters and slow planes from main gun), etc. And T-72 was a simplified more technologicaly-friendly version of T-64.

Did I already tell a beautiful story of a T-72 turret construction? ;)

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As much as the russian position regarding Iraq disappoints me, I am relieved to be reminded of their actual position in world affairs.

Got to keep on eye on those basturdz.  They will invariably support whoever and whatever seeks to attack/destroy western civilization.  Never trust a ruskie.  NEVER!


Depends on what to call a "western civilization". If it means merchantile society with severe material segregation, and a market economics with monopolies developed "ad absurdum" - we don't like it. There is a fundamental difference of Orthodox and Protestant culture, and it's impossible to overcome it, even 70 years of Soviet power didn't help.

The problem is very serious and complicated. We oppose this war because we don't want the "brave new world" where one country decides if you have a right to live or not.

Our president said yesterday: "We have to chill down. We are not interested in America loosing this war". We have 90% of our financial actives in USD....

I said many times here that it's really strange that our government doesn't support the invasion. Looks like it was only the result of a good analisys. Russian position is clear: we understand that Hussein is dangerous and needs to be disarmed. But there are no such reasons that excuse the military action against a souverign country.

In fact we have much more common with West then with Arab world. But it's in our blood: the people should defend against the agressor. Agressors must be punished.

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2003, 01:04:39 PM »
I saw an interview by an embedded reporter last night.  Some Bradley crew were bragging about taking out a T-72.

Good Job.

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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2003, 01:08:00 PM »
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Did I already tell a beautiful story of a T-72 turret construction? ;)

 


OH YESSSSSS

the t-72 turret can automaticaly load a 12 centimiter cannons without having humans load heavy cannons.

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2003, 01:09:48 PM »
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I saw an interview by an embedded reporter last night.  Some Bradley crew were bragging about taking out a T-72.

Good Job.


LOL!!!

:D :D :D

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2003, 01:12:41 PM »
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OH YESSSSSS

the t-72 turret can automaticaly load a 12 centimiter cannons without having humans load heavy cannons.


It's funny that Iraqi industry can develop an autoloader and fit it into a Chniese tank, while US still has another crew member only for weightlifting. The marvelous idea to store all ammunition in a turret is beautiful too.

OK, have to go now, will tell you the funny story tomorrow :)

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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2003, 01:16:36 PM »
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It's funny that Iraqi industry can develop an autoloader and fit it into a Chniese tank, while US still has another crew member only for weightlifting. The marvelous idea to store all ammunition in a turret is beautiful too.

OK, have to go now, will tell you the funny story tomorrow :)


amazing that even with our extra man, we can still cream multiple T-72s.  What a piece of crap that thing is.

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2003, 01:54:57 PM »
"while US still has another crew member only for weightlifting"

The Army doesn't want an autoloader.  They feel that having the extra man is better.    Why the Army thinks that, I don't know.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2003, 02:02:24 PM »
Yes boroda the Russian way of storing uncompartmented ammo all around the tank and around the turret floor  is simply brilliant, this way when the tank is hit and set on fire many people like you and your friends will not die..
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2003, 03:39:55 PM »
The T-72's auto-loader has couple of unexpected features...

1)  If the Gunner is not VERY careful it will try and load his right arm in the breach.

2)  When extracting the spent casing from the breach it sometimes misses the opening at the rear of the turret and flings the 10 lb casing around inside the turret.  

   Not exactly a 'moral booster'....

    :rolleyes:

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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2003, 04:07:54 PM »
I thought they fixed arm eating problem... :)

But yea I heard the shell base ejecting problem is intersting too.