Al Jeerez reporting that Saddam is in Russian Embassy

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Airhead
Whatever, as an ethnic American whose lineage is difficult to trace owing to the prostitution of the last several generations of Airhead women I'm just glad as hell to be beyond reproach.

FWIW, I always did think you were a bastard, in a nice sort of way.

[Malin]

@dead man Flying.

Thank you for your reply but the question is still open as to why boroda is a thief.

He's a thief because he stole or acted as an accessory to theft of intellectual property. Legally, it doesn't matter at all that he didn't make any money from this theft; what matters is that IEN lost money as a result of people flying on Freehost rather than subscribing to their service. These people, and Boroda in particular for offering a venue for it, have essentially stolen money that IEN rightfully deserves. Whether he continues to host it does not matter, since he irrefutably did host it at one time.

To try and argue whether FH is theft of intellectual property in a court of law would be extremely difficult. For one if you look at the cirumstances around the creation of FH and take into the account it was offered by aike to IEN with the suggestion that he hosts it on there behalf in russia to allow a wider audience in Warbirds and this suggestion was scorned by IEN is in itself a grounds for dismissal (would be difficult to claim loss of revenue when you effectively refuse an offer to increase your revenue). Added to which the fact that at the time IEN was charging $2 an hour to play Warbirds and yet not offering a useable connection to anyone outside of the USA you could turn it around and claim discrimination by IEN against people unfortunate enough not to have been born into the west.

It would be also extremely difficult to prosecute aike for theft (in it's common term) because aike's software is written in a different format than IEN's and dosn't utilise the same source code  as the original.

So back to the original point if it's so diffcult to even prove aike the originator of FH is a thief then to label boroda as one is still grounds for slander and defamation of character.

To simplify if anything aike is guilty of plagurism (alot easier to prove this)

FH still exists which if anything would indicate to you that to use the term "theft" in this instance is groundless. You could even argue that to label FH as theft would be to label every individual, firm or orgasnisation that has taken a product and improved on it in the same category.

Malin

[Malin]

Back to the thread, why do people persist in believing that there own society will always be telling the truth and others are always lying and not take into consideration that all media distorts the truth.

If we the people in the world began to openly question what the media was telling us more often then the quality of reporting would improve. At present media companies present to us the general public little more than speculation and rumour as fact, and we let them get away with it.

Why do they do it? because facts don't sell headlines. Imagine if the incident with the russian convoy had been correctly reported by the media all around the world in the facts.

"US troops accidentally shot up Russian convoy of diplomats because somebody forgot to pass the message on that they were leaving" (this is an example, probably the truth but either way it's only an example)

How many newspapers would that have sold? Not many to tell the truth. By distorting and exagerating the truth in an effort to sell more newspapers the media are more than guilty in creating situations that result in loss of human life.

To speculate, if the media everywhere was forced by us questioning it more to report the truth then stunninghunks like saddam and many others throughout history wouldn't exist. The fact we don't question it and allow our goverments to control the media allows situations like this to exist.

Malin

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Malin
Back to the thread, why do people persist in believing that there own society will always be telling the truth and others are always lying and not take into consideration that all media distorts the truth.

If we the people in the world began to openly question what the media was telling us more often then the quality of reporting would improve. At present media companies present to us the general public little more than speculation and rumour as fact, and we let them get away with it.

Why do they do it? because facts don't sell headlines. Imagine if the incident with the russian convoy had been correctly reported by the media all around the world in the facts.

"US troops accidentally shot up Russian convoy of diplomats because somebody forgot to pass the message on that they were leaving" (this is an example, probably the truth but either way it's only an example)

How many newspapers would that have sold? Not many to tell the truth. By distorting and exagerating the truth in an effort to sell more newspapers the media are more than guilty in creating situations that result in loss of human life.

To speculate, if the media everywhere was forced by us questioning it more to report the truth then stunninghunks like saddam and many others throughout history wouldn't exist. The fact we don't question it and allow our goverments to control the media allows situations like this to exist.

Malin

We don't always assume one media is full of lies, while the other is always truthful.   Most view many sources, and make their own decisions.

Baroda loved posting links from pravda, al jazeera, and other propaganda rags.  We look at the articles he posted, then we looked at what other news sources said, then we looked at the truth.

When the garbage they post is consistently proven as false, it becomes safer to generalize.

Skim through the crap Baroda, am, and crew has posted.  Then look and see what really happened.

[Malin]

@Ike 2K.

Are you naturally an idiot or just working at it?

you are a true patriot of your motherland.

If you used the grey matter between your eyes a little more and thought about what people were saying and how they were saying it then you'd probably be able to figure out for yourself I'm not russian. For gods sake man I've given enough hints in my posts already without pointing this out.

Some people die just to get in to the United States.

 My country has one of the biggest problems with illegal immigrants in the whole world. People come here because they are lead to believe that they will have an easy life, a job, a house etc without having to do bugger all. Reality is they won't. US of A has the same problem, people think that if they goto the states they'll instantly be able to live the life of a millionaire playboy (just like they see on TV) without having to work at it. Reality is most will end up in menial jobs earning minimal wages.

If people realised this more and worked harder at improving the quality of life in there own countries instead of believing the grass is greener on the other side maybe the world would be a better place to live.

Malin

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Malin
@Ike 2K.

Are you naturally an idiot or just working at it?

 

If you used the grey matter between your eyes a little more and thought about what people were saying and how they were saying it then you'd probably be able to figure out for yourself I'm not russian. For gods sake man I've given enough hints in my posts already without pointing this out.


  My country has one of the biggest problems with illegal immigrants in the whole world. People come here because they are lead to believe that they will have an easy life, a job, a house etc without having to do bugger all. Reality is they won't. US of A has the same problem, people think that if they goto the states they'll instantly be able to live the life of a millionaire playboy (just like they see on TV) without having to work at it. Reality is most will end up in menial jobs earning minimal wages.

If people realised this more and worked harder at improving the quality of life in there own countries instead of believing the grass is greener on the other side maybe the world would be a better place to live.

Malin

what country are you from?

[Malin]

@martlett.

We don't always assume one media is full of lies, while the other is always truthful. Most view many sources, and make their own decisions.

 Sadly most people on both sides of the fence don't view many sources and make there own decisions. From what I've read on this post the opinion I have is that anyhting upto 70% of the people here are allowing themselves to be mislead by the media.

then we looked at the truth.

The point I'm trying to make is that we won't ever know the truth. Unless you were there (and in most cases being there makes it harder to find the truth out) or are extremely high up in goverment you will only ever be presented by a few grains of truth buried amongst a mountain of rumour and speculation.

Malin

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Malin
@martlett.

  Sadly most people on both sides of the fence don't view many sources and make there own decisions. From what I've read on this post the opinion I have is that anyhting upto 70% of the people here are allowing themselves to be mislead by the media.

 
The point I'm trying to make is that we won't ever know the truth. Unless you were there (and in most cases being there makes it harder to find the truth out) or are extremely high up in goverment you will only ever be presented by a few grains of truth buried amongst a mountain of rumour and speculation.

Malin

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude (for once), but you obviously really don't know what it's like to live in the US.

Does our gov't tell us the whole truth?  Of course not.  Do they tell us blatant lies?  Maybe.  Some most likely do.

But with competetive press, there are many things that are difficult to get away with.  Media loves to prove the other is lying.  When you have embedded reporters, it's even harder to lie about many things, because it is being reported from there live.  A few weeks ago a reporter changed a picture a little bit, so it would fit with his papers slant.  It was quickly found out, and the truth was printed, the reporter fired.

Of course it's biased, but the truth is still there.  Any intelligent person can see it.  This is directly opposite of the blatant lies Baroda was printing.

You still haven't said what country you are from.

[Malin]

what country are you from?

LOL, what and let myself be ridiculed as has happened to so many others on this board just because of who I am.

Let me generalise,

A:I'm from XXXX.
B: Ah, you have no idea what you're talking about because you come from a XXXX country and can't possibly understand our glorious wonderful society.
A: But I've heard this happens in your country.
B: Ha, lies fed to you by your (insert type, facist, communist, poor, dictatorship)  goverment.
A: but...
B: No buts your opinion is worthless because you come from XXXX and we all know (even though we've never been there, met anyone from there, or learnt your history) that you're all criminals, drug dealers, murderers etc.

whilst I may respect you and some others on this board for being willing to enter a discussion the majority here seem to persist in taking the example shown above.

Sadly they don't realise that societies are judged by the actions and words of it's peoples and all they succeed in doing is given the impression (wrongly) that all people from the USA are arrogant, poorly educated and totally lacking in empathy.

I know many Americans, as I know many from Russia, Germany, Italy, Israel etc and it is the actions of these few in all parts of the world who are responsible for much of the suffering.

Take note Ike2K, Captain Virgil, lazs and others by your open hostility and abuse of others from other parts of the world you paint a picture of your country which has lead to much of the Anti USA sentiments sweeping Europe.

Alot of Europeans read these boards more than you could possibly imagine, they read your posts and remember reading similar things to these prior to WWII, until you learn to open your minds and discuss things rather than jumping straight in the deep end with open abuse and  scorn then maybe you would find more support in the actions you take around the world.


Malin

[Malin]

But with competetive press, there are many things that are difficult to get away with. Media loves to prove the other is lying. When you have embedded reporters, it's even harder to lie about many things, because it is being reported from there live. A few weeks ago a reporter changed a picture a little bit, so it would fit with his papers slant. It was quickly found out, and the truth was printed, the reporter fired.

Take any major incident that involes civilian casualities (civil disaster not war). You can buy 10 different newspapers and watch 5 different TV stations and you can almost guarantee that the deathtoll figures will be different in each one, two weeks later the truth comes out but by then no-ones interested because the media are hyping the next mega story. Very few of us look at multiple sources for confirmation, it is these individuals that I'm trying (now with your aid) to educate into a few simple rules.

1. look at multiple sources.
2. Question what you read.
3. If you're making a statement (i.e. he's a thief) make sure your proof is 100% foolproof.

Sadly too many people are to lazy to do this and when questioned on there opinion resort to mud slinging tactics in order to discredit the person disputing their point of view.


Malin

[Martlet]

You make statements directly pertaining to your home nation, then won't say what it is?

That's like offering proof without a source.  Therefore, completely invalid.

I'll take it as the idle chatter it is.

[Malin]

proof without source.

Sorry, I thought I was offering comparisons. I don't live in the US but in some situations the same thing happens there as it does here (like the illegal immigrant problem).

It's pretty easy to figure out where I'm from if I'm not American and English is my first language.

Malin

[lazs2]

airhead... It was a serious question... I know about the russian community in Sacramento.   Is there a russian community in the states that anyone knows of that isn't 90% or more criminal?  
lazs

[Martlet]

Originally posted by lazs2
airhead... It was a serious question... I know about the russian community in Sacramento.   Is there a russian community in the states that anyone knows of that isn't 90% or more criminal?  
lazs

I guess that depends.  I know of several communities proud of their russian ancestory that aren't criminal at all.  Most of them are not immigrants, though.

While I have no proof either way, I'd have a hard time believing the majority of russian immigrants are criminal.

However, I DID see a teenage russian immigrant on Judge Judy for vandalizing cars......

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Actually, Zembla, some lost there way between Bush #1 and Bush #2, so we got Clinton. Enough people decided to vote, and the courts decided they wouldn't attempt to elect a president by litigation, so we avoided Gore. When you have ironclad proof that Gore won, you post it here. It's been proven time and time again that he lost. He didn't even come close to carrying his home state. Since you're an EXPERT on U.S. elections, why don't you tell us all about that?

Regarding the creation of the UN. The UN was created because the League of Nations was paralyzed and refused to act in regards to Hitler and Hirohito, and therefore became impotent. Notice the parallel. The UN has become paralyzed and refused to act in regards to Hussien, even after 12 years. The UN is now impotent and irrelevant.

It is interesting to note that YOU are a recent addition, having only one post prior. You and Malin and terror_72AG, whatever he is. I find myself wondering, what brings you here? Boroda invite you to spew and run? You joined in the last couple of days, likely have never played the game, come in here and spew a bunch of drivel in defense of Boroda and his current indefensible position, and then say "I'll likely not come back and read this thread again so flame me if you want". What you SHOULD have said is that you are going to spew and run because you cannot support your position either.

Here is a really practical idea for you 4. Come to America, at our invitation. Since you are so desperately in love with Clinton, Gore, and the UN, take the whole lot of them home with you. While you're at it, you can provide Clinton and Gore with a pension, and complete round the clock protection every where they go. Build the UN a new HQ building, and provide maintenance and security for that building, and security for all those extra homes and embassies for all the diplomats. While you're at it, provide the VAST majority of the money, the military equipment, and the military manpower for the UN. And make absolutely certain that you cater to their every whim, and that you do exactly as they wish. Do it for about 50 years and then come back and tell us all how great it is and how good it was for your country.

You four fine gentlemen meet some where in Europe and have yourselves a nice group hug and tell each other how great you are, and pat yourselves on the back for that wonderful job you're doing for all humanity.

BTW, Willie tried to get support for action against saddam, They held a debate on it in Ohio I think(I'll try to get the link from the history channel). And there the white house spoke of need for action against saddam. They were roasted. They chanted no blood for oil. It was a disaster, they were run out of the building.

The plain fact is that if 9/11 didn't happen, bush wouldn't have got the support either.

Gore got more votes overall, so the Dems whine(not me) that that is how democracy works. But those are not the rules, and the rules rules say Bush won. You can argue all you want on how the voting system works, but those are to be made BEFORE an election, not after it. Honestly, if I were Gore I would have took the high road to safe face for the next election.

I'll admit, when 9/11 happened I was glad Bush was prez at that moment. Unlike the right, I support my prez, I don't bash him.