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Offline Manedew

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« on: April 09, 2003, 04:24:41 PM »
They want to make it permanent,  those evil bastards.... guess they belive in safety over freedom, or privacy ..

pre-emptive strike on "lone-wolf"  "terrorists"  with no affilliation to a foregin group HA!  

sounds like pre-crime to me .. careful what you think  

they should hire Steven Spielburg, if they can handle his alien fettish.  :rolleyes:


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/09/international/worldspecial/09TERR.html

Offline crowMAW

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2003, 04:29:38 PM »
Did you ever think it would be temporary??:rolleyes:

Offline AKIron

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2003, 05:27:37 PM »
I haven't read all of the Patriot Act but what I have read didn't seem unreasonable. Have you read the Patriot Act? Care to post a link?
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2003, 05:51:47 PM »
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I haven't read all of the Patriot Act but what I have read didn't seem unreasonable. Have you read the Patriot Act? Care to post a link?


Knock yourself out:

Patriot Act

ACLU's opinion:

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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2003, 06:07:19 PM »
Thanks for the link. Reading now. Starts off like this:

SEC. 102. SENSE OF CONGRESS CONDEMNING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ARAB AND MUSLIM AMERICANS.
(a) FINDINGS- Congress makes the following findings:
(1) Arab Americans, Muslim Americans, and Americans from South Asia play a vital role in our Nation and are entitled to nothing less than the full rights of every American.
(2) The acts of violence that have been taken against Arab and Muslim Americans since the September 11, 2001, attacks against the United States should be and are condemned by all Americans who value freedom.
(3) The concept of individual responsibility for wrongdoing is sacrosanct in American society, and applies equally to all religious, racial, and ethnic groups.
(4) When American citizens commit acts of violence against those who are, or are perceived to be, of Arab or Muslim descent, they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
(5) Muslim Americans have become so fearful of harassment that many Muslim women are changing the way they dress to avoid becoming targets.
(6) Many Arab Americans and Muslim Americans have acted heroically during the attacks on the United States, including Mohammed Salman Hamdani, a 23-year-old New Yorker of Pakistani descent, who is believed to have gone to the World Trade Center to offer rescue assistance and is now missing.


Maybe you and/or those complaining about this heinous act can save me some time by pointing out a specific section that is so objectionable?
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2003, 06:08:27 PM »
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

i read it its a freedom kill list.i dont like it even a little bit.

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2003, 06:30:10 PM »
WE ARE NOT TAKING AWAY ANY OF YOUR LIBERTIES OR FREEDOMS, SO JUST SIT DOWN, WATCH TV AND STOP QUESTIONING!!!


hehe.  more government is always bad.



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Offline Torque

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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2003, 06:32:01 PM »
Shouldn't they call it the "Hoover Act" since the Patriot is just an expensive dart?

Offline AKIron

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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2003, 06:34:28 PM »
I've seen many claim that this document spells the end of freedom. I've read parts and scanned others. I just don't see what all the hoopla is about. Surely some of you with such strong objections can cut and paste a section or two?
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Offline Frogm4n

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2003, 06:37:59 PM »
Its a step in the right direction comrades!!! more government and more patriots for the Republic! dont worry these laws wont apply to you only to people that are not patriots comrades!

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2003, 06:40:52 PM »
I won't let this thread die until someone can point out specifically what the squeakin' is about.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2003, 06:51:36 PM »
Did you even read this?

ACLU's Opinion

How about this?

EFF's Analysis


If you don't care, then I'm sure you won't miss em.

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2003, 06:54:17 PM »
No, and I don't intend to. All I'm asking for is a small cut and paste and your opinion, not the ACLU's.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2003, 08:55:17 PM »
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No, and I don't intend to. All I'm asking for is a small cut and paste and your opinion, not the ACLU's.


How do you expect to familiarize yourself with objections to the Patriot Act if you can't be bothered to read a criticism from the ACLU - one of the few reputable places you could go for such a thing?  Do you trust posters here more than you would the ACLU for such matters, or do you have another agenda?

Offline john9001

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2003, 09:10:28 PM »
ACLU = American Communist Lawyers Union