Guns do not cause crime - liberals do

[miko2d]

Murder Rates per 100,000 population (2000):

Gore counties:  11
Bush counties:   2

 miko

[Wlfgng]

it's not the guns.. it's the bullets

[ra]

11 v 2.  Will Gore demand a recount?

[lord dolf vader]

out of how many total countys?


have a look at the uncredited author from what i can tell.


charming white south-african immegrant  fits the conservative slant around here perfectly.


http://www.kimdutoit.com/dr/weblog.php

[miko2d]

So, LDF, do you imply that the numbers are faked by that guy?

 How about a black scholar Walter WilliamsWalter Williams

What are the characteristics of counties won by Bush versus those won by Gore? The values, politics and religion of the counties in the southern, western and rural sections of the country, won by Bush are not like those in the mostly coastal, highly populated counties won by Gore. The Bush counties are: more conservative and respectful of traditional values, pro-life and more religious, and they have less social pathology such as high crime, illegitimacy and deviancy. Counties won by Gore tend to be just the opposite.

 Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota:
In the Gore counties, the murder rate is 13.2 per 100,000.
In the Bush counties, the murder rate is 2.1 per 100,000.

 miko

[Yeager]

Honest Liberals do not play war games.

[Dowding]

That's right Yeager. All liberals are pacifists.

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by miko2d

 
 Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota:
In the Gore counties, the murder rate is 13.2 per 100,000.
In the Bush counties, the murder rate is 2.1 per 100,000.

 miko

Is it a weighted average by the counties population or an average of the counties themselves?  

Another thing to note is that even a 'Gore county' like Los Angeles, with 10 million people, had more Bush voters than 99% of the other counties in the country and a majority of the states.

[funkedup]

So true Miko.

[Steve]

It's no mystery really.  Poorly raised and educated people are more prone to violence and to vote democratic.

[Dead Man Flying]

Holy cause and effect issues, Batman!

First, almost all of the factors listed by Miko (crime, illegitimacy and deviancy) linearly increase with population density.  They also linearly decrease with increasing income.  The chances are pretty good that you're not going to see a lot of petty crime among people making substantial sums of money, after all.  I'm also not sure why the author focuses on ideology rather than partisan affiliation, since party plays a much stronger role in vote choice than ideology.  But I digress.

I just grabbed the National Elections Studies cumulative 1948 to 2000 dataset with over 40,000 respondents and regressed ideology (extremely liberal through extremely conservative on a 7-point scale) on income (listed by percentile ranges, scored 1 to 5).  For those that know regression, I'm well aware that the dependent variable is not truly continuous, but it's close enough for AH BB work.   I find, not unexpectedly, that a one point improvement in income percentile results in a 0.8 point positive change on the ideology scale (t = 9.219, p < 0.001).  In essence, the more one makes, the more conservative one becomes.

Why should we be shocked and amazed, then, that those in the lowest income percentiles -- commonly "liberals" living in high density, high crime urban areas -- would support candidates with policy views similar to their own?

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.  I'd like to see Professor Olson sell that smoldering pile to a group of political scientists.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[lazs2]

liberals live in big cities... city dwellers have no concept of reality... most have no concept of anything but huge crowds that need to be controlled.

I think that women and city dwellers should not be allowed to vote on anything except their own city issues.
lazs

[funkedup]

In essence, the more one makes, the more conservative one becomes.

Holy cause and effect issues Batman!
You are inferring a causal relationship from a simple correlation.  Tsk tsk tsk.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Steve
It's no mystery really.  Poorly raised and educated people are more prone to violence and to vote democratic.

what he said

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Why should we be shocked and amazed, then, that those in the lowest income percentiles -- commonly "liberals" living in high density, high crime urban areas -- would support candidates with policy views similar to their own?
-- Todd/Leviathn

what he said too