Hell, I'll bet this guy has gotta be black....

[weaselsan]

Keep this in mind...30% of the NYC fire dept. are women, over 400 fire fighters were killed in the towers, not one was a women. very simple reason. They are not suited to lugging heavy equipment up many flites of stairs. You will never see this in the media.

[Mini D]

My God!  You guys really have turned this into a "Minorities aren't fit to do the job" rant and a half... haven't you.

Being black might have gotten this guy a job with the NYT... but it didn't get him on the front page.  He wasn't promoted because he was black, he was promoted because he was turning in the kind of articles that sold papers.  Of course, they were mostly lies, but what the hell.  That's never stopped the NYT from selling papers before.

Seems if the guy would have been white, this wouldn't be an issue to most.  I mean, he probably would have been fired long ago... right?  I doubt it, but you guys hold onto that if it makes you feel more confident with yourselves and your position at your jobs.

Sheesh... what a bunch of ****ing malcontents.

MiniD

[NUKE]

get rid of affirmative action and other race quotas and let performance/ qualifications be the measure and we all win.

[GRUNHERZ]

MiniD who is turning this into an issue of blacls being unable to do the job? You are the only one who ever brought that up. I made it abundantly clear my real issue was with then newspaper and how they I belive its very likely he was treated with kid gloves because he was black and part of their public relations minirities outreach program. And it does matter if the stories are lies and it does sort of matter that half of his stories needed corrections and it does matter that his immediate supervisros wanted to get rid of him and stop him writing fror the times - yet he was rapidly promoted while senior management literraly braged about his "success"  to influential black business/political groups.

The simple fact is this particular individual clearly proved himself unworthy of the job, he chose to lie, cheat, steal, decive, be dishonest and be personally disgraceful and this was factually and blatantly evident in his performance time and time again yet he was quickly promoted time and time again with no regard given to his lackluster, actually downright atrocious performance. My entire position is that I doubt the fact that he was part of this desirble outreach program and a young black reporter in a company publically trying hard to increase and emphasize it's diversity was merely a conicidence inhim being able to peretrate his misdeeds over the past four years.

You seem to see some blanket statement against blacks in my posts or in the responses - while i cannot speak for the other posters I do challenge you to demonstrate and explain how you see such attitudes in my posts in this thread. In fact find a single criticizm of HIS improper behavior based on HIM being black - I doubt you will find any. My issue with this lies with the newspaper and their behavior in letting this charade go on unchecked and even actually promoting this lier over and over again despite his terrible performance and questionable veracity.  His behavior had nothing to do intrinsically with the fact he was black - him being able to get away with it over and over and get promoted so much and so quickly prolly had something to do with him being young and black and part of the times' minority outreach program which times executives lauded repeatedly to influential black groups.

[Mini D]

Wow grun... I'm the only one who brought it up?

LOL!

OK.. you guys go off and have your "only a black guy or woman could get away with this" session and pretend I'm the only one that brought it up.

LOL grun.

And you wonder why I'm making fun of you for thinking its everyone else.

MiniD

[Gunthr]

I had very good documentation and I have been on the stand before. Lazs

I don't doubt you had your ducks in a row, Lazs! Thats my point From what I've seen in the public/govt sector, the bean counters, company attorneys and upper management always tiptoe around protected class terminations.

Down where the rubber meets the road, where you and I seem to be, its all uphill to terminate  bad  employee females, blacks/minorities, and people over 40. I know you really have to resort almost to overkill in documentation to make it happen.

I blame the EEOC...

[GRUNHERZ]

But MiniD I think the fcat that he was part of this agressive outreach program gave ( mostly liberal white?) upper management incentives to disregard his poor performance and actually promote him- thats a valid topic for discussion and a timely social issue these days.  

However you seem bent on thinking I am saying he did this because he black - which is clearly not the case. You seem to tbink I'm criticizing him based on race - which is also clearly not the case. My biig issue is with his employers who touted him as their rising young star and model of sucess while at the same time he was doing extremly poor woork - unless of course the satndard for accuracy at the times is that low...

So yea I think you are the only one who brought up this briad issues of balcks being unqualified as journalists.  Thats simple nonsense and is completly unrealted to this thread.

This was about one man who made bad decisions and chose to lie, I think maybe he got away with it for so long and got promoted beacuse of agressive efforts on part of management to increase diversity with apparently no regard to performance - which IMHOP is wrong and does a discervice in public image to the many eager qualified and honest young black journalists.  Hell look how you reacted to this thread your first thoght was that I was saying balcks were braodly unqualified - thats the kind of destructive image this case puts out.

Sorry Minid but I feel your reaction is wildly off base - I hope you reconsider your inital judgement...

[Saintaw]

'Nice' choice for the title, I must admit...

[GRUNHERZ]

Why is this particular title so sensitive?

Basically it was just a sarcastic thought on my part while reading the article - I could not understand why this man was promoted so eagerly with such obviously poor performance so I sarcastically said to my self "what the hell is going on, is this guy black or something or hes gotta be black if he is getting this bizzare prtefferential kind of treatment" and sure enough a few paragraphs down they say he is. Maybe thats how I read it based on my experiences at my community college where over eager progressive liberal teachers often gave some poorly performing  black students easy treatment and often did not challenge them to improve - I guess they did not want to offend them or something  - I donno.

I dont see anything wrong in my intuition about the article and I made it perfectly clear from the first post that my issue was with the employers and their handling of theit preference programand not him being black...

[Animal]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
"what the hell is going on, is this guy black or something or hes gotta be black if he is getting this bizzare prtefferential kind of treatment"  

[GRUNHERZ]

Yea Animal?

[funkedup]

Grun how could you?
































He might have been disabled or gay too.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Way I see it, Grun stereotyped this particular fella based on Affirmative Action...

That in itself says a lot about Affirmative Action, what I'm getting at here should be easy enough to follow.

If it isn't: Proves Affirmative Action has outgrown it's usefullness and is now creating it's own forms of racism, bigotry and hate.
-SW

[RightF00T]

Yeah, he's gotta be black.  If he was white you wouldnt even hear about this.

[Bodhi]

Any bets on how long till this thread gets locked?



Ohh, and I do agree with Grunherz even though it ain't the politically correct thing to do.