Author Topic: The Risk of Doing Nothing (Read 2174 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #45 on:** May 18, 2003, 08:51:15 PM »

So the sanctions were bad too? I thought you guys wanted the inspections and sanctions thing to go on indefinitely - remember a decade of that stuff was simply not enough time for saddam to realize he just gotta stop his misbehavior..

AKIron · « **Reply #46 on:** May 18, 2003, 09:51:59 PM »

Let's apply a little logic here, if Bush knew there were no WMD in Iraq from the start and lied about it we would already have "found" them by now, right?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #47 on:** May 18, 2003, 09:56:28 PM »

Thats true, you see we allready know any WMD found in iraq will be planted by the CIA..

Nash · « **Reply #48 on:** May 18, 2003, 09:58:19 PM »

More towards the point of this topic, the *war* got us what exactly?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #49 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:04:38 PM »

We stole the oil - duh...

And yes thats all your idiotic question deserves - I cant belive you are asking something so stupid. Tell me what did you get out of the US civil rights movement in the 1960s or the fall of the Soviet tyranny in 1991, or the fall of the east germany in 1989?

Sandman · « **Reply #50 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:07:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
More towards the point of this topic, the *war* got us what exactly?

We're certainly not any safer.

AKIron · « **Reply #51 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:12:04 PM »

Maybe we'll gain a friend in the region. If not that then perhaps at least a country not suffering from delusions of gandeur thinking they will destroy the "Great Satan."

Glad there are some in authority willing to look at the long term picture.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #52 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:17:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
We're certainly not any safer.

How do you know, maybe you get the top secret briefings but I dont... Are you really telling me that you dont belive that Saddam was not doing anything in any form to harm america and americans?

Toad · « **Reply #53 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:18:14 PM »

What did it get us exactly?

Too early to tell, isn't it?

How long ago did they declare the combat phase over? Refresh my memory.

Jeez, next somebody will chime in about the "US never takes the long view".

Guess it obvious why we can't. We're addicted to McResults. No, not now.. I wanted 'em YESTERDAY!

Sandman · « **Reply #54 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:21:41 PM »

It fits... Bush claimed that Hussein was an immediate threat.

AKIron · « **Reply #55 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:28:27 PM »

Supporting terrorists was his claim that Hussien was an immediate threat to the US. The large quantities of WMD were considered more of a threat to his neighbors.

Taking him out was the first step towards a less threatening middle east. In case you've forgotten, we've been attacked by middle easterners many times over the last decade.

Nash · « **Reply #56 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:39:53 PM »

What's so stupid about it Grun, really?

Now... This is going to require you to just *imagine* for a second that WMD never turns up... that the weapons program did not exist to anywhere near the extent to which the world was led to believe...

As per the article in Sand's post (and in not so many words), the war was sold as making the US safer by ridding Hussein of his WMD. If there isn't any WMD, what exactly did it accomplish? What did the US gain?

If your answer involves the liberation of the Iraqi people, is it ok to you that the pretext for the war is oddly nowhere to be found in the final justification for it? It's ok to admit it if so. But if that's where you stand, would you have ever bought into the war to this degree if you were asked to make the sacrifices involved, solely to liberate a people who only last year you held somewhere between ambivalence and contempt?

If you're going to reply with yet another sarcastic remark or ask me about the 60's civil rights movement, don't waste your breath.

Nash · « **Reply #57 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:43:58 PM »

"Supporting terrorists was his claim that Hussien was an immediate threat to the US."

Not entirely true AKIron... At one point in the lead up to the war, Iraq was appearently some 90 days from nuclear capability.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #58 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:47:26 PM »

WMD capable equipment and WMD scientists are all around iraq, what exactly do you think saddam would have done with that capabilty once sanctions were lifted after hans blix failed to find any WMD during his kyoto treaty compliance surveys of iraqi industrial facilities?

Nash · « **Reply #59 on:** May 18, 2003, 10:51:07 PM »

Toad, maybe it is too early to tell. I'm going at this from the "what if they aren't found, ever" angle... but not ruling out the fact that they still may be found. To most people here, the time frame is irrelevant anyway... as whatever does or doesn't turn up makes no difference to them.