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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2003, 12:42:15 AM »
"I suspect had more to do with his power acquisition than a just cause."

Power?  Whats he gonna do with all that power when he is out of office in 5 1/2 years?
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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2003, 02:59:22 AM »
Coke head deserter?

Vader, you're an liar and a fool.  Maybe you can be the next Iraqi information minister, you seem very qualified.
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« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2003, 07:06:04 AM »
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Yes thats it, they all obviously hate him... :rolleyes:

Hell why dont you bother to ask some of AH very own  Iraq and Afghanistan vets about their opinions of their CIC and his leadership?  Wouldn't that be revolutionary?


The vets have already posted their opinions.  Arfann would rather just ignore them.  It's easier to claim you are right without a silly little thing like the truth getting in the way.
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« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2003, 07:26:28 AM »
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"I suspect had more to do with his power acquisition than a just cause."

Power?  Whats he gonna do with all that power when he is out of office in 5 1/2 years?


The question is, "What will he do with all this power during the next  1 1/2 years?"
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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2003, 07:32:33 AM »
Ok, what is worrying you so much in the next 1.5 years up until the next election?
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« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2003, 08:01:33 AM »
Hey, no problem, Gronk.  We've been friends for years, and I respect your opinion...I just don't agree with you on all things.  It's cool.  is a vet, just not of either Gulf War.  It's why I respect him while still disagreeing with him.>

Gronk, I'm not inclined to offer unconditional trust to anyone, most especially politicians.  However, and in case you haven't noticed, the power you're worried about Bush miss-using was not enough to get more than half the tax cut package he was pushing for.  It was enough to push Syria to be more cooperative on the war on terror, though how deep that cooperation goes has yet to be determined.  I have to consider the possibility that you've fallen victim to the efforts or the right to demonize our President.

I have great faith in the checks and balances built into our nation's structure of government.  I also think comparing President Bush to Hitler, and Saddam is unfair.  You know as well as I that such gear as the President wore on that flight is required safety gear for that aircraft.  He wore no rank, either.  It was a masterful PR event, no doubt about it.  But it was in charactor with the image most in the military today hold of him; genuine, with real affection and respect for those who serve their country.  To the guys and gals on the CV, it was worth more than a few extra bucks in their pockets.  At least that's my take.  So don't be reactionary, running to the left simply because you fear our President's power.  Be wary, but don't rush to conclusions.

Ask yourself, what new real power does this President have that the last one didn't, or the one before that?  Is it really more power, or just more determination?  When Japan attacked us in 1941, Roosevelt was given waaaay more sweeping powers than President Bush has today.  Respectfully, I think you're being reactionary, perhaps allowing a preformed opinion to cloud your preception.  Of course, I might be suffering from the same condition, but for the most part President Bush has pursued international and domestic policies in line with my own political views...for the most part.

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« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2003, 08:34:25 AM »
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Very convenient.


Isn't it though? Wellll. Not living in Arkansas or being in the Air Force, how could I possibly know and why should I care that President Clinton never visited that AFB? If it hurt you, personally, so much I suggest you send him a personal email expressing how much you missed seeing him. (assuming you were either at that base or a resident of Arkansas or????)
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« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2003, 08:41:53 AM »
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The vets have already posted their opinions.  Arfann would rather just ignore them.  It's easier to claim you are right without a silly little thing like the truth getting in the way.


Oy, Martlett strikes again!

First, please read and follow the thread before posting. In this case, ldv made a comment, Groinhurts responded to it, and you responded to him regarding . . . . . . me?

As much as I appreciate your efforts to read my mind and let folks know what I would or would rather not do, your accuracy leaves much to be desired. In future, let me know when you are going to attempt this and I'll remove the tin foil hat so you will come at least somewhat near the mark.
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« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2003, 08:48:00 AM »
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Oy, Martlett strikes again!

First, please read and follow the thread before posting. In this case, ldv made a comment, Groinhurts responded to it, and you responded to him regarding . . . . . . me?

As much as I appreciate your efforts to read my mind and let folks know what I would or would rather not do, your accuracy leaves much to be desired. In future, let me know when you are going to attempt this and I'll remove the tin foil hat so you will come at least somewhat near the mark.


I suggest you follow your own advice.  The truth shall set you free!
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« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2003, 08:52:04 AM »
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I have great faith in the checks and balances built into our nation's structure of government.  I also think comparing President Bush to Hitler, and Saddam is unfair.   So don't be reactionary, running to the left simply because you fear our President's power.  Be wary, but don't rush to conclusions.

Ask yourself, what new real power does this President have that the last one didn't, or the one before that?  Is it really more power, or just more determination?  When Japan attacked us in 1941, Roosevelt was given waaaay more sweeping powers than President Bush has today.  Respectfully, I think you're being reactionary, perhaps allowing a preformed opinion to cloud your preception.  Of course, I might be suffering from the same condition, but for the most part President Bush has pursued international and domestic policies in line with my own political views...for the most part.

Respectfully,
Sabre


The following is a much quoted statement by another famous character of WW2. It states pretty clearly what I feel are the underlying reasons for Bush's actions.

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
 
--Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
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« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2003, 08:57:16 AM »
TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED

Yes Bush really had to tell me...  Sorry arfann but that quote is stupid when used in the context of today. Its the same if you used it to denounces americas entery into WW2 after the pearl harbor attack.

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« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2003, 08:58:31 AM »
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I suggest you follow your own advice.  The truth shall set you free!


Just to show I'm paying attention, I did go back and follow the thread. Still looks like you blew it or, at best, Groinhurts was not clear enough regarding who he was replying to. Simple enough, you and Groiny sort it out.
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« Reply #57 on: May 21, 2003, 09:04:51 AM »
Leave me out of this, its between the two of you - figure it out yourselves...
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« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2003, 09:09:12 AM »
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TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED

Yes Bush really had to tell me...  Sorry arfann but that quote is stupid when used in the context of today. Its the same if you used it to denounces americas entery into WW2 after the pearl harbor attack.

 


Showing conclusively that you've been sucked in like the rest. 9-11 certainly was justification to go after Al Qaeda and the Afghani government that protected him. Hell, it would even validate invading Saudi Arabia, where most of the perps came from. Our neighbor Canada has been safe haven for some who attempted to do us harm. But not Iraq. Again I say "BUT NOT IRAQ!!" So you say Hussein was (is?) a tyrant who murdered his own people? Sure, but there are many of the same ilk all over the world. Not our problem. The infamous WMD? None found yet, and how about Israel, Pakistan, and India. Shall we invade them next?  

You may now return to the Rush Wannabe vituperation class.
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« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2003, 09:10:21 AM »
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Leave me out of this, its between the two of you - figure it out yourselves...


You can't talk to my buddy like that!! Get him, Martie!!
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