WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz

[-tronski-]

That was a joke. I obviously wasn't seriously implying you were a traitor or Iraqi spy or that Toad was your handler.

Originally posted by WpnX
Dowding,
I'm not laughing. I don't mind that you disagree with my views and I think it's great that we all have different views and are free to express them; that's what makes this country great. Hell, I don't agree with everything weazel posts but I would drink beers with him and we would probably get along great. But, implying, even as a joke, that I said something that I didn't is B.S. and it pisses me off! It's one thing I take pretty serious.

If you want to discuss it as intelligent adults drop me an email. I won't take up any more space on this board with something that only involves you and I.

Uh oh...careful Dowding old boy sounds like you may have stumbled onto something...,but then you're about to get a banging on the door...and then a rush of footsteps...

And then it'll be like you never existed

 Tronsky

[Puke]

Let's wait the six (or was it nine or twelve) months that the weapons inspectors wanted.  They didn't have to do it while under fire or while trying to rebuild a country either.

[Nash]

Yeah, it's so much harder now Puke...

Nothing like having absolute free reign of the country with access to all the scientists you could ever want to interview to make things more dificult than the previous inspectors had it...

Unless by "rebuilding the country" you're suggesting that the current inspection teams have to divide their time between checking suspected sites then making the rounds at the food distribution centers. I kinda doubt there's that degree of multi-tasking going on.

"Under fire"... heheh.

But fine, not only do the current inspectors get the 6, 9, 12 months you're so graciously calling for only now (I don't think the previous inspectors were even asking for that much time)... but now they get all the time in the world. Yet it hardly goes unnoticed that you're asking for that time only after you refused it to the previous inspectors and invaded instead.

But there was a reason for that, right? Maybe the Iraqis were critically close to lighting up the world with their stockpiles of WMD - and a quick intervention was humanity's only hope. And I suppose someone somewhere thought they could do a better job... find them quicker... what with all the great intel they had. I always wondered why they didn't just share that intel with the inspectors. I don't wonder that so much anymore....

[Toad]

Weak?

Here's what's weak:

The "give the inspectors six-eight-twelve more months" crowd suddenly deciding that 30 days is all that is necessary.

THAT is weak.

Babble on. I'm out.

Sorry Wep. Should have known they'd twist a simple "the guy is an experienced active combat soldier just home from Iraq" into this BS. My apologies, again.

[Puke]

Nash,

I never said the inspectors had free-reign.
I never said that the inspectors are rebuilding the country personally.
Yes, the inspectors requested 6 more months (I think it was longer) as one last effort before war.  

Still, it's not really any easier now and there are considerable hurdles to making inspections and finding these things.  Some of it may be under rubble or may in fact be out of the country or hidden very well.  Or, Saddam never had any.  But I think we need to give the guys on the ground over there some time.  Yes, they are under fire over there, believe it or not.  It is a very dangerous place for inspectors...more now than it was one-year ago.

Yeah, it's so much easier now, Nash.

[-dead-]

The whole "where are the WMDs" question is a bit of a no brainer really. IMO Bush would never have invaded Iraq if US intel thought for a second that the Iraqi army had usable WMD. It would lead to unacceptable US casualties and a long, drawn out, messy conflict. Post-Vietnam, that is tantamount to committing political suicide and Bush is running for a second term. So really the only conflicts the US is politically willing to indulge in these days are reminiscent of the old British Empire fights: state-of-the-art weaponry vs. naked guys armed with sharp fruit.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yes dead just like we went into the first Gulf War only 12 years ago when Iraq was widely considered one of the most potent military forces in the world and there was NO dispute anywhere as to whether they had WMD...  

[Duedel]

[GRUNHERZ]

The UN of course a paragon of credibilty!

[Dowding]

Well, Toad if you can't tolerate a blatant leg-pull once in a while then I'm surprised you've lasted the distance around here.

Weak? Wouldn't you also agree this is weak:

Don't give the inspectors another second, but give all the time in the world to Bush et al to come up with goods.

And Wpnx - that you would be so sensitive to a little horseplay was something I couldn't have guessed at. I apologise for any offence caused, of course.

[Nash]

Oh lets be fair....

"Sorry Wep. Should have known they'd twist a simple "the guy is an experienced active combat soldier just home from Iraq" into this BS." - Toad

Was actually:

"Especially since he's intimately familiar with the Iraqi desert, Iraqi deception maneuvers and undoubtedly knows some stuff he isn't posting here." - Toad

You're saying here that he, without a doubt, knows something that we don't. Making it sound as if there's more to it than what meets the eye... what with "deception manuevers" and all. So Dowding picks up on that and cracks a joke about breach of security... and y'all take him seriously?? Even get pissed over it?  I suggest reading it again. Sheesh...

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes dead just like we went into the first Gulf War only 12 years ago when Iraq was widely considered one of the most potent military forces in the world and there was NO dispute anywhere as to whether they had WMD...  

Oh yeah I forgot the US and the UK invading Iraq unprovoked and without world backing is exactly the same scenario as UN forces ousting the Iraqi forces that had invaded Kuwait, with the world backing them.

[GRUNHERZ]

What does that have to do with your flawed initial argument?

[Nilsen]

war is bad, sex is good..

all the rest is just to kill time until ya die

[weazel]

US Senate opens Iraq weapons probe

Again...Bush and company *claimed* they had the evidence, now it's time to cough it up.