Okinawa bugs list

[Batz]

My comments on the allied board were about allied tards who jumped fariz for not being a "team player". We didnt have that problem.  These arent team oriented affairs. Folks want fun. Making folks fly a plane that isnt fun and bullying them with some idea of team is idiotic. Thats why there are high numbers of no shows and less then full registrations. Cos and xos should serve the interests of those registered not to pop off some orders like they are in the real military.

Fariz was co for both Niemen and Big Week. He never told folks who signed up to fly a particular plane they have to fly a different one and if they dont like it quit. Thats what went on the US board.

The next event volunteer as CO lets see how you do. If you want I will be the the other sides Co. I know the guys on my side will have a good time.

I have killed numerous f4us. I am not the one scared. I am not the one who runs 3 sectors claiming pilots wounds as a reason not to fight. I am not the one hiding behind "I cant turn fight". If you ever read book about energy fighting you may grasp what I am saying.  I mean with a kd of .5 and 2 kills per hour shows you avoid fights when ever ya can because when you do fight you get jacked up quick.  A .5 kd shows you dont mind dieing so what has conservative flying got you? After all some one is killing ya. Or is it just the ack?

I dont tell you how to fly but I call it like it is.  Its not about furballs or kills. Its about the fight, whether its 1 v1 or 50 v 50.  I get killed alot and it doesnt bother me. I fought dbltrbl in an a6m5 he was in an fm2. He whooped me good. It was damn fun. I got behind constel a couple of times. He was in an f6f and he took me for a ride. I got lucky  and got a few kills but it was damn fun. I joined the furball off of 8 and was killed numerous times. It was still fun. I got killed 5 or 6 times by urchin it was fun. None of that follow the leader bs.

Check my a5 vrs spit 14 score from the last set up. Spit 14 is faster, climbs better and has decent turn. Its real quality plane. I still still could fight 3 v 1 and kill them with out being a wuss. I am at best average, Theres a million guys much better then me. Check my lifetime dhog scores, my kd was like 9 to 1 (using innominates scores).

So if my serving attitudes means good fun for all or if I talk smack  about running bore and zzz'rs well your right. All I care about is fun.

[Arlo]

Fariz not wanting to rotate is no problem. His pizzing and moaning and making a big deal over it wasn't too cool but still not a problem. He could have dropped out and given his slot to someone else who wasn't a spoiled brat. But when he privately conversed with fellow scenario participants and told them to not bother showing up for frames in which they rotated to non-fighter slots and to not bother letting anyone know so arrangements could be made "just to teach the Allied CO a lesson" was pure chickenchit. Your willingness to not only condone such behavior but praise it shows what a lifetime brat you are.

And now that you're crying about my stats and theorizing what they mean (as if I'm supposed to be crushed by you telling me I'm as bad a sim hog driver as I've admitted all along), let me inform you that stats may be your ego reinforcment/security blanket but that don't really prove you know jack-squat about what makes the CT a success or not. That and you guessed wrong. I die most often in a furball. I just run strikes in between. You may just want to keep bragging about your old CT track record and the phenomenal growth of the CT player base before your "retirement."

Kanttori, great work man, keep it up. Your efforts keep things afloat. Maybe if others watch and learn, then the CT player base will grow.

[Batz]

I didnt view your stats as a means to show off but you make claims of "flying conservatively" and "flying smart" and that your style of fighting is the only way to fly an f4u vrs jap planes. I think to myself hmm maybe he has a point. I mean when I flew the f4u-d I dont recall just flat running as soon as I saw a con. He must know what hes doing.

I then jump to the stat page hoping that maybe you know something I dont. Low and behold not only do you avoid fights (2 kills per hour) but when you do fight you get whooped.

So I wonder what the hell "conservative flying" can do for you.

I mean if you want just fly in circles, great, enjoy it. Just say that. Dont give me bs about "not turning" and "conservative flying".

Ranks, kd none of that means **** to me. Except to confirm that you are full of ****. My kd isnt that great, I get killed lots. I dont even know my "rank". I was one of the ones that never wanted stats compiled for the ct. But it was one of the top things folks requested.

The only time I say anything about your "fighting" style is when it effects me. The only smack talk you hear me say is "Run Forest Run" "you wuss" or "this is boring". Thats it . I then just leave and go elsewhere. If you feel thats me telling what to do, who cares? I just call it like I see it.

Fariz can do what he wants. If he felt strongly enough about being forced to quit an event and asks others to join him so be it. I wont pile on the guy because I know the contributions he has made to ah scenarios. And I also agree with his general point that folks should be able to pick the plane and people they want to fly with. During the whole "lottery" registration with sicily I was vocal against that. Not only did you not get a slot but you didnt even get to pick your flight or plane. Those he asked to join him in quitting made up their own minds. I never saw any comments from him saying that. I just read some 3rd hand rumor after the fact. I still dont put any faith that he said that after all he flew in the event and kicked arse.  But fariz wasnt the only thing. The allies had guys killing each other, whining to each other etc. I dont think thats because of the allied co and my comment about fariz had no bearing on the allied co. It had to do with some on the allied side who from the start told fariz he didnt belong in scenarios because he wasnt a "team" player.

BTW that thread in which I commented on the fariz situation wasnt on the allied forums it was on the Guad general forum. It followed a post by a registered axis pilot who said he hoped the axis werent doing the same thing. The side forums werent even up yet. The side forums werent opened until after the event.

[Arlo]

Geez, Louise! I never claimed to be a perfect disciplined - conservative F4U sim pile-it. I said your crying about hog drivers flying they way they should against your Zeke is pathetic.

My k/d ratio merely states that I'm getting killed more than killing right now. It's been better, it hasn't been much worse. My stats also reflect strike missions where I make a point to get past the enemy to the target (whether above, through or below) and back to reload and reup (though I started taking to looking for fights after my strikes ).My stats also reflect the number of times I crashed a heavy hog on takeoff. My stats also reflect the number of times I auged because something in real life demanded my immediate attention. My stats also reflect the occasional times I accidently leave something on in the background that pops up in flight (though, granted, that's rare). Right now my stats probably reflect that I'm typing in a forum after the terrain had already been reloaded for awhile and I'm "sitting in the tower."

My stats don't reflect that they have nothing to do with your tendency to cry over things that don't warrant it, but it should be an obvious "given.".

Woe-tan, you cry about the F4U too much, you know that?

p.s. Nope, what Fariz did wasn't "warranted." It shows a lack of character. Your support of it reveals as much about you.

[Karnak]

In the limited ammount that I have flown the F4U I have found that it is one of the easiest aircraft for me to succeed in (maybe more extensive usage would indicate otherwise) and that it has far more options than "Eek, a Japanese plane.  Quick, dive to the friendly ack!!!!".  If that is all that it had it would have been pathetic, and it wasn't pathetic.

The F4U can use verticle zooms against any of the Japanese fighters, even the vaunted N1K2-J.  It can out scissor any of the Japanese planes.  Its roll rate and high speed handling our outstanding, far better that any Japanese plane.

Running is not its only option.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Karnak
The F4U can use verticle zooms against any of the Japanese fighters, even the vaunted N1K2-J.  It can out scissor any of the Japanese planes.  Its roll rate and high speed handling our outstanding, far better that any Japanese plane.

Running is not its only option.

Interesting.  I've only flown the F4U twice this setup, so my perspective is mainly from Axis side.  Seems to me, though, that the F4U's zoom only works if the Corsair starts with a big energy advantage.  The high speed handling only matters if you're going at high speed, which the Japanese plane set just can't do, so at minimum the Corsair is "extending."  And while the roll rate could make the Corsair effective in scissors, its energy retention at low speeds makes it toast in most of the scissoring fights I've had with it.

All of which is to say that it seems to me the only thing the Corsair can do well is B & Z.  Start it at an equal energy state and either the Nikki or the Tony are going to eat it up.  In this setup, when I fly Axis (which is most of the time), I would much rather fight a Corsair than any other Allied plane.

So, if there's a trick to energy fighting in the Corsair (stall fighting is too much to expect), what is it?

- oldman

[F4UDOA]

The big problem with trying to do zoom type rope maneuvers is that the NIK2 can do a virtical tail slide with full rudder control.

So if you think you can eat some 20mill then by all means rope away.

It is not impossible at all to beat a NIK2 in a full flown turning fight. You just have to be light on Ammo as well as fuel.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Karnak
In the limited ammount that I have flown the F4U I have found that it is one of the easiest aircraft for me to succeed in (maybe more extensive usage would indicate otherwise) and that it has far more options than "Eek, a Japanese plane.  Quick, dive to the friendly ack!!!!".  If that is all that it had it would have been pathetic, and it wasn't pathetic.

The F4U can use verticle zooms against any of the Japanese fighters, even the vaunted N1K2-J.  It can out scissor any of the Japanese planes.  Its roll rate and high speed handling our outstanding, far better that any Japanese plane.

Running is not its only option.

Not an uncommon claim amongst IJ pilots, Karnak. Batz said the same thing in the arena but he declined invitations to give exhibitions. You would be welcome to take his place and show me how my scissoring should do more than buy time. I'll fly the Nik, it's pretty sweet.

But until that time I'll keep working on flying the Hog by striking and extending, trying to retain as much e as possible (and recommend that to others as well). And if I end up blowing it and having to try to scissor my way out of trouble (as I all too commonly do) with nobody to clear my six, I'll keep telling myself that I have the advantage.

[OIO]

I find the planeset to be unbalanced.

IMO:

IJN/IJA:

Carrier only:
A6m5b
A6m3 (or whatever the earlier zero in AH is)
Kate

Land based only:
Ki61
Ki67
C205 (fillerin for IJA fighter whose name escapes me here at work)
C47

Land based, rear fields
N1k-2

USAAC/USN

Carrier based:
F4U-D
F6F OR FM2 (choose 1 for balance, FM2 would be nicer imo)
TBM
SBD

Land Based
P47D25
C47
F4U-1 (marines)
B26
SBD

Land Based rearmost field:
P38L

Vehicles used by both sides:
M8
M3
M16
Flak

Boats by both sides:
PT Boat

[Batz]

Declined your offer?, whatever, IJN is always out numbered. I fly with the side with less. I flew the FM2 on saturday when the us were outnumbered. It was the only cv left and then I augered on landing as the cv turned. More US came in so I went back jap.

The dhog is like flying a 190. Its better in some respects. Except for rudder aurthority which just feels weird to me in the f4us. When you made your "offer" brady and I were fighting 4 or 5 of yas. I wasnt about to switch to help you gang bang him. All the other cvs were sunk.

So quit being a handsomehunk. 5 on 1 means there would have been no one to kill.

The only reason brady and I flew over to the f4u-d cv was because it was either bellybutton rape jugs on the deck with 15 other guys or fly 20 miles and fight the milkrunners at 16. There were many of you and 2 of us (well drunky was in a ki 67). Instead of fighting as a team you all took turns running leaving the other guy to get killed.

As hard as you try to play this "well the hog is a tough plane to fly" bs you dont seem to realize we have flown it.

Energy fighting is the only way to fight against turning planes in 1 v 1.  Its that way with a 109 vrs a spit, an f4f vrs an a6m2 etc. There are many good players that can help you see that.

Hell, fight urchin in a a6m5 with him in a jug otd. He whooped me numerous times.

I really dont care what you do except when its effects me. Then I'll call you on it and go else where.

[Fariz]

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If he felt strongly enough about being forced to quit an event and asks others to join him so be it.
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I am quite puzzled. What I said which could lead into this conclusion?

I have not asked anyone to leave event. Actually event was quite instersting after all, though it had quite big stress attached. I hope they will not get into such "experiments" with forcing people around anymore.

BTW Wotan, I have a postmortem on Niemen, just sent it to Tilt. I explain the axis strategy considerations there. If you want a copy drop me a note pls.

[Batz]

Yes fariz please send it to

Batz@fw-190.com

TIA

Fariz that quote above by is based on what Arlo says happened. I dont know anyhting about that and as I said I dont believe you did what he claims since you were in the event and kicked arse. But either way its not my concern.

Arlo says you whined about being forced into a bomber, threatened to quit and encouraged other pilots to mutiny.

My arguement with arlo was about events being fun and that forcing people who registered to fly a fighter into a plane they dont want to fly is wrong. Arlo feels you should have "taken one for the team", done what your told and like it.

I think events should be fun even at the expense of victory.

Please dont think I was criticizing you. If you can stomach it please read the thread.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Batz
Declined your offer?, whatever, IJN is always out numbered. I fly with the side with less. I flew the FM2 on saturday when the us were outnumbered. It was the only cv left and then I augered on landing as the cv turned. More US came in so I went back jap.

The dhog is like flying a 190. Its better in some respects. Except for rudder aurthority which just feels weird to me in the f4us. When you made your "offer" brady and I were fighting 4 or 5 of yas. I wasnt about to switch to help you gang bang him. All the other cvs were sunk.

So quit being a handsomehunk. 5 on 1 means there would have been no one to kill.

The only reason brady and I flew over to the f4u-d cv was because it was either bellybutton rape jugs on the deck with 15 other guys or fly 20 miles and fight the milkrunners at 16. There were many of you and 2 of us (well drunky was in a ki 67). Instead of fighting as a team you all took turns running leaving the other guy to get killed.

As hard as you try to play this "well the hog is a tough plane to fly" bs you dont seem to realize we have flown it.

Energy fighting is the only way to fight against turning planes in 1 v 1.  Its that way with a 109 vrs a spit, an f4f vrs an a6m2 etc. There are many good players that can help you see that.

Hell, fight urchin in a a6m5 with him in a jug otd. He whooped me numerous times.

I really dont care what you do except when its effects me. Then I'll call you on it and go else where.

Riiight. Who's being a dumbazz? Yeah, you changed yer tune the moment you were invited to show us "how it's done, hon." It quickly went from "I know how to get mega-kills in a Hog versus any IJ plane without keeping it fast" to "Me and Brady will take any two of you co-alt and on our terms - you flying Hogs us flying Zekes."

Just how were you going to really show us how great you were in the hog without an equal number of hog drivers going opfor? Did you really think anything else could have been implied? That's pretty thick.

You flew the FM2, well good for you! It's the only U.S. plane that can out-turn IJ planes. *chuckle* (shakes head)

Geez ... I can dig that you're stupid and all but you're really trying hard to take it to extremes.

Now ... the phrase "put up or shut up" comes to mind but it'll undoubtedly be met with more excuses and whinin. Show us Allies about energy fighting and that it takes speed, shallow turns, gentle rolls and reversals, climbing extentions, chandelles, feints and swoop approaches. Oh wait ... the planets aren't aligned just right yet.

And so you made a choice to take an extra couple of minutes to fight on the other side of the island. Congrats on figuring out that it doesn't take much to hop to that coast to defend it. Crying about "milkrunning" and all. Hell, bout everyone hittin that side was wonderin' why the IJ players were scared to try to stop it. Glad you decided you had a pair. You did ok. Which, of course, is another "excuse" to pizz and moan, apparently.

You whine too damned much about nuthin', really. The only reason I can really gather from all your crying is a dedicated political tactic to continue to try to convince everyone that the F4U in any CT Pac setup is a horrible mistake ... in spite of it having been proven otherwise twice in the last month.

Why make a big deal about exposin yer wet diaper before you go elsewhere? Why not just go elsewhere and save yerself the embarrassment?

But .... yeah, it's obvious that whackin you repeatedly on yer noggin with a clue rake about that will only make you cry louder. Guess I need to just stop and not worry bout it.

Yeah ...


Yeah .. that's the ticket ....

Yeah ....

I should ....

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Batz
Yes fariz please send it to

Batz@fw-190.com

TIA

Fariz that quote above by is based on what Arlo says happened. I dont know anyhting about that and as I said I dont believe you did what he claims since you were in the event and kicked arse. But either way its not my concern.

Arlo says you whined about being forced into a bomber, threatened to quit and encouraged other pilots to mutiny.

My arguement with arlo was about events being fun and that forcing people who registered to fly a fighter into a plane they dont want to fly is wrong. Arlo feels you should have "taken one for the team", done what your told and like it.

I think events should be fun even at the expense of victory.

Please dont think I was criticizing you. If you can stomach it please read the thread.

He flew the event because he was able to cry his way into a fighter slot for all four frames. Other players made the sacrifice for him to do so. I even tried to accomodate him. That was fine.

How well he flew in it isn't even an issue. You tend to let that distract you about alot of things.

Several of Fariz's runnin buddies decided they didn't have to show up for frames they didn't like after Fariz made a stink over being forced to fly anything other than what he liked to fly and they also "all coincidently decided" they didn't have to bother notifying anyone so arrangements could be made that didn't leave the Allied side short (they were all in the same divebomber unit). Someone posted that one of the players spilled the beans on recieving an email from Fariz recommending they do just what they did ... addressed to the parties involved. Apparently an issue of anonimity was involved so, the smoking gun stayed hidden. Of course, maybe Fariz wouldn't do anything of the sort. I mean, after all, he's obviously a team-oriented player and wouldn't dream of screwing over others to get his own way.

Paper dolls cut from the same sheet of paper, the lot of yas.

[Batz]

Put up? I have put up I told ya, me = dhog 9 to 1 kd.

Yes you are a handsomehunk, The only fight you dhogs had was me and brady. As I said no one could be bothered to interupt the milkrunning. We only came there because all the other cvs were sunk. We were outnumberd and you still ran. I fought you at 24 you ran, I fought you at a16 you ran. You are a wuss, a liar (check fariz's reply  to your accusations he told others to quit) and full of ****.

If when I enter into the ct the alllies are out numbered I will fly what ever plane is closest to the fight, I certainly wont tour the map in an f4u looking for a fight. If its more then 25 miles fug it thats no fun. Nor would I have  joined you in the 6 on 1 and gangbang brady (who left that area to btw, Drunky logged to as he got bored as well.) I landed at 14 with 20% gas left after 15 min of playing follow the leader avoid ho repeat. I looked at he map saw 4 or 5 red dots S of 8 and went there for a couple of sorties and logged. Just like any other night. The fm2 cant out turn me in a jap plane. I didnt turn fight in it. So there you go again showing you are clueless as to how to fight. Besides it was the only cv close to the fight.

My whining consisted of telling you what you are, a sorry whiney squeak that is such a wuss the only success you have is boring people to death.

I will remind you of that when ever I "fight" ya so you dont forget.