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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2003, 07:22:45 AM »
Funked, I just spent NZ $2000 (about US$1200) on a set of Bridgestone Duel 275/60R17's.

Your tyres are small, as is your noodle :D

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2003, 09:10:50 AM »
Nero's are what I'm looking towards..

I have Toyo T1-S (Directional) My right sides are wareing more then the left..  Guess I need to make more left turns.. plus I'm @ the 12K mark and will need new ones soon.  

There been debate on the turn-in on these tho..Some say their good some say their as bad as these T1-S.

My question is how well do they trail? Do you feel like the car is everywhere?
« Last Edit: June 03, 2003, 09:24:16 AM by nuchpatrick »

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2003, 09:16:46 AM »
A buddy of mine put a set of Kuhmo MX tires on his M3/4.  I drove more than a few twisty miles in the car and man those tires are great!  Definitely my new favorite street tire, which was previously held by the Bridgestone S-02.  I wish they made them in my S2k's size.

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2003, 09:23:09 AM »
Local police are warning people that those Spinners are like carjacker magnets. I guess they are just irresistable!

Dude!

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2003, 10:01:16 AM »
Rims for Subaru WRX ?

O.Z Racing's Superleggeras of course. They're on their own class :)


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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2003, 10:24:01 AM »
You guys are starting to make me jones for my old '93 Civic coupe with American Racing rims and Potenzas.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2003, 11:53:57 AM »
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Originally posted by senna
Hey Funked, how does your car compare to a Ford Cosworth or Lancia. Im talking the street version of their rally cars.


 
Hmm......Lancia, I wonder.

I had P-zeros on my Lancia ( oops, said it again) Great tires.

The car didn't like them in the rain though.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2003, 11:56:07 AM by Monk »

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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2003, 12:12:21 PM »
Road and Track found the Evo VIII to be actually faster on an actual rally course even with the 30hp difference.

Something about it handling better.

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2003, 12:25:22 PM »
Umm.. Moose buddy.. that review was crap.  

Not that I side with a Scuby.  But, they took two cars that are ment for the 'road' and put them on a 'off-road' condition. I'd like to see both run with the same type of tires that are designed for off-road use.

I've seen the evo's out on the course(autocross) even tho their still new to the track.  The Scuby's are kicking their butts..

I'd like to really see a good comparison then the monkey shine the magizine put on.

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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2003, 12:34:18 PM »
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My question is how well do they trail? Do you feel like the car is everywhere?


Trail brake?  A lot better than the RE92s.  The RE92s would give you a kind of "snakey" feeling if you tried to trail brake enteriing a turn above about 60 mph.  I actually overcooked one corner slightly on Saturday and the Neros held the line real nice even though I was briefly into the ABS while turning in.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2003, 12:35:15 PM »
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A buddy of mine put a set of Kuhmo MX tires on his M3/4.  I drove more than a few twisty miles in the car and man those tires are great!  Definitely my new favorite street tire, which was previously held by the Bridgestone S-02.  I wish they made them in my S2k's size.


I almost got those, but they are unidirectional.

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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2003, 02:57:22 PM »
Those O.Z. rims are nice. That would be my pick if I were to spend a small fortune on alloy rims. Monk, what kind of Lancia do you own. Cool cars BTW. As far as "turn in" and following small road imperfections, from what I recall. Cars that "turn" in well or quick generally also like to follow road imperfections as well. In looking at the factors involved theres good and bad. Tow in/out affects turn in and causes your car to follow imperfections. Wide tires also affect that and definetly will cause more an inclination towards following imperfections along its path than narrow tires. This also includes low profile tires as compared to higher profile tires. Tire pressure plays a part also. If the pressure is higher, it will display this at faster speeds, if pressures are lower, the gremlin is noticed at lower speeds and under heavy tire loads such as breaking. Low pressure "wander" allows less feedback through wheel and high pressure "follow" will yank your wheel more, which you can sort of fight back. Camber and caster come into play too but not much you can do to change that in a street car. Two biggest culprits in turn in are too much tow out and wide tires/low profile then internal radial design. Tire pressure just exaggerates the affect or feel which ever direction it goes. Theres alot to be said about tire feel, I guess every body has their own feelings about how a tire feels to them. I personally have no idea which tires are good today but I used to like those Yokahama A008s and Eagle GTs. I went through a few sets of those, they were expensive. Also I like the directional tires better, I think thay have a less compromised radial design and better feel overall. I would just rotate diagnally unless I had different tire sizes front and rear.

Almsot forgot, how your tire wears out along the contact patch also affects this. If the inner and outer wears out differently, this usually causes a opposite bump affect that not 90 degrees etc... from road surface when your going straight. Similar to slight camber affects but because of tire wear. If a tire was overinflated most its life and wears at the center or crown, you'll feel it (pull) under heavy breaking or loads.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2003, 03:08:28 PM by senna »

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2003, 03:11:08 PM »
ehem, so if you drive with 70 series tires none of that will affect you? Thats what I have.

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2003, 03:13:55 PM »
Senna.. thats why I'm asking :)   See I autocross my car and I have a different alignment from stock.. so I'm use to a bit of dartyness.

Considering I have a camber set up of :

Rear
  Toe:  1/32 inch (0°4.5' or 0.075°) IN per side
  Camber:  -1.75 degrees
 
Front
  Camber:  -1.0 degrees
  Caster:  5.0 degrees
  Toe:  1/32 inch IN per side

This give me a nice neutral-to-slight-understeer under constant power at speed, able to transition to oversteer with slight throttle lift to transfer weight forward


Talk about fun!!! :D

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2003, 03:18:59 PM »
:)

Mrcoffee, only too much tow out in 70 series tires will cause pull or drift though 70s are unsafe unless you drive like a slow grandma.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2003, 03:47:10 PM by senna »